Yesterday, I explained the methodology behind the formula involved in ranking every quarterback season in football history. Today, I’m going to present the career results. Converting season value to career value isn’t as simple as it might seem. Generally, we don’t want a player who was very good for 12 years to rank ahead of a quarterback who was elite for ten. Additionally, we don’t want to give significant penalties to players who struggled as rookies or hung around too long; we’re mostly concerned with the peak value of the player.
What I’ve historically done — and done here — is to give each quarterback 100% of his value or score from his best season, 95% of his score in his second best season, 90% of his score in his third best season, and so on. This rewards quarterbacks who played really well for a long time and doesn’t kill players with really poor rookie years or seasons late in their career. It also helps to prevent the quarterbacks who were compilers from dominating the top of the list. The table below shows the top 150 regular season QBs in NFL history using that formula, along with the first and last years of their careers, their number of career attempts (including sacks and rushing touchdowns), and their career records and winning percentages (each since 1950). For visibility reasons, I’ve shown the top 30 quarterbacks below, but you can change that number in the filter or click on the right arrow to see the remaining quarterbacks.
Rk | name | Value | First Yr | Last Yr | Att | Rec | Win% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Peyton Manning | 11344 | 1998 | 2011 | 7441 | 141-67-0 | 0.678 |
| 2 | Dan Marino | 10242 | 1983 | 1999 | 8628 | 147-93-0 | 0.613 |
| 3 | Steve Young | 8733 | 1985 | 1999 | 4507 | 94-49-0 | 0.657 |
| 4 | Joe Montana | 8315 | 1979 | 1994 | 5704 | 117-47-0 | 0.713 |
| 5 | Tom Brady | 7897 | 2000 | 2011 | 5597 | 124-35-0 | 0.78 |
| 6 | Fran Tarkenton | 7680 | 1961 | 1978 | 7067 | 124-109-6 | 0.531 |
| 7 | Johnny Unitas | 7300 | 1956 | 1973 | 5587 | 118-64-4 | 0.645 |
| 8 | Dan Fouts | 7166 | 1973 | 1987 | 5923 | 86-84-1 | 0.506 |
| 9 | Brett Favre | 7030 | 1991 | 2010 | 10694 | 186-112-0 | 0.624 |
| 10 | Drew Brees | 6794 | 2001 | 2011 | 5687 | 92-61-0 | 0.601 |
| 11 | Norm Van Brocklin | 6680 | 1949 | 1960 | 3036 | 61-36-4 | 0.624 |
| 12 | Ken Anderson | 6664 | 1971 | 1986 | 4873 | 91-81-0 | 0.529 |
| 13 | Otto Graham | 6500 | 1946 | 1955 | 2817 | 57-13-1 | 0.81 |
| 14 | Sonny Jurgensen | 6274 | 1957 | 1974 | 4579 | 69-73-7 | 0.487 |
| 15 | Roger Staubach | 5983 | 1969 | 1979 | 3271 | 85-29-0 | 0.746 |
| 16 | Sammy Baugh | 5632 | 1937 | 1952 | 3040 | 11-10-0 | 0.524 |
| 17 | Sid Luckman | 5430 | 1939 | 1950 | 1748 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 18 | Y.A. Tittle | 5134 | 1948 | 1964 | 4763 | 78-52-5 | 0.596 |
| 19 | Len Dawson | 4797 | 1957 | 1975 | 4119 | 94-57-8 | 0.616 |
| 20 | Kurt Warner | 4791 | 1998 | 2009 | 4330 | 67-49-0 | 0.578 |
| 21 | Aaron Rodgers | 4697 | 2005 | 2011 | 2273 | 41-21-0 | 0.661 |
| 22 | Joe Namath | 4683 | 1965 | 1977 | 3934 | 62-63-4 | 0.496 |
| 23 | Philip Rivers | 4624 | 2004 | 2011 | 3207 | 63-33-0 | 0.656 |
| 24 | Daryle Lamonica | 4455 | 1963 | 1974 | 2760 | 66-16-6 | 0.784 |
| 25 | John Hadl | 4442 | 1962 | 1977 | 4979 | 82-76-9 | 0.518 |
| 26 | John Elway | 4291 | 1983 | 1998 | 7766 | 148-82-1 | 0.643 |
| 27 | John Brodie | 4261 | 1957 | 1973 | 4772 | 74-77-8 | 0.491 |
| 28 | Jeff Garcia | 4254 | 1999 | 2011 | 3857 | 58-58-0 | 0.5 |
| 29 | Boomer Esiason | 4248 | 1984 | 1997 | 5523 | 80-93-0 | 0.462 |
| 30 | Tony Romo | 4152 | 2004 | 2011 | 2734 | 47-30-0 | 0.61 |
| 31 | Jim Hart | 4031 | 1966 | 1984 | 5361 | 87-88-5 | 0.497 |
| 32 | Trent Green | 3916 | 1997 | 2008 | 3999 | 56-57-0 | 0.496 |
| 33 | Warren Moon | 3874 | 1984 | 2000 | 7281 | 102-101-0 | 0.502 |
| 34 | Donovan McNabb | 3842 | 1999 | 2011 | 5784 | 98-62-1 | 0.612 |
| 35 | Roman Gabriel | 3750 | 1962 | 1977 | 4862 | 86-64-7 | 0.57 |
| 36 | Bert Jones | 3714 | 1973 | 1982 | 2783 | 47-49-0 | 0.49 |
| 37 | Steve McNair | 3691 | 1995 | 2007 | 4798 | 91-62-0 | 0.595 |
| 38 | Bart Starr | 3676 | 1956 | 1971 | 3487 | 94-57-6 | 0.618 |
| 39 | Jim Kelly | 3580 | 1986 | 1996 | 5102 | 101-59-0 | 0.631 |
| 40 | Rich Gannon | 3457 | 1987 | 2004 | 4508 | 76-56-0 | 0.576 |
| 41 | Cecil Isbell | 3349 | 1938 | 1942 | 818 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 42 | Troy Aikman | 3344 | 1989 | 2000 | 4974 | 94-71-0 | 0.57 |
| 43 | Bob Griese | 3175 | 1967 | 1980 | 3768 | 92-56-3 | 0.619 |
| 44 | Charlie Conerly | 3147 | 1948 | 1961 | 3029 | 58-31-1 | 0.65 |
| 45 | Bobby Layne | 3138 | 1948 | 1962 | 3987 | 80-51-4 | 0.607 |
| 46 | Ben Roethlisberger | 3113 | 2004 | 2011 | 3627 | 80-33-0 | 0.708 |
| 47 | Mark Brunell | 2992 | 1994 | 2011 | 5030 | 78-73-0 | 0.517 |
| 48 | Terry Bradshaw | 2940 | 1970 | 1983 | 4208 | 107-51-0 | 0.677 |
| 49 | Jim Everett | 2876 | 1986 | 1997 | 5180 | 64-89-0 | 0.418 |
| 50 | Matt Schaub | 2874 | 2004 | 2011 | 2403 | 32-34-0 | 0.485 |
| 51 | Craig Morton | 2790 | 1965 | 1982 | 4188 | 81-62-1 | 0.566 |
| 52 | Steve Grogan | 2709 | 1975 | 1990 | 3840 | 75-60-0 | 0.556 |
| 53 | Randall Cunningham | 2702 | 1985 | 2001 | 4773 | 82-52-1 | 0.611 |
| 54 | Earl Morrall | 2698 | 1956 | 1976 | 2958 | 63-37-3 | 0.626 |
| 55 | Arnie Herber | 2690 | 1930 | 1945 | 1175 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 56 | Daunte Culpepper | 2690 | 1999 | 2009 | 3497 | 41-59-0 | 0.41 |
| 57 | Tommy Thompson | 2653 | 1940 | 1950 | 1449 | 6-6-0 | 0.5 |
| 58 | Billy Kilmer | 2647 | 1961 | 1978 | 3143 | 61-52-1 | 0.539 |
| 59 | Vinny Testaverde | 2641 | 1987 | 2007 | 7118 | 90-123-1 | 0.423 |
| 60 | Ken Stabler | 2624 | 1970 | 1984 | 4074 | 96-49-1 | 0.661 |
| 61 | Joe Theismann | 2592 | 1974 | 1985 | 3942 | 77-47-0 | 0.621 |
| 62 | Mark Rypien | 2399 | 1988 | 2001 | 2710 | 47-31-0 | 0.603 |
| 63 | Johnny Lujack | 2375 | 1948 | 1951 | 856 | 13-6-0 | 0.684 |
| 64 | Bernie Kosar | 2295 | 1985 | 1996 | 3638 | 53-54-1 | 0.495 |
| 65 | Brad Johnson | 2192 | 1994 | 2008 | 4577 | 72-53-0 | 0.576 |
| 66 | Bob Waterfield | 2173 | 1945 | 1952 | 1654 | 14-8-0 | 0.636 |
| 67 | Milt Plum | 2166 | 1957 | 1969 | 2629 | 56-40-6 | 0.578 |
| 68 | Carson Palmer | 2119 | 2004 | 2011 | 3722 | 50-56-0 | 0.472 |
| 69 | Chad Pennington | 2111 | 2000 | 2010 | 2633 | 44-37-0 | 0.543 |
| 70 | Frank Ryan | 2107 | 1958 | 1970 | 2333 | 57-27-3 | 0.672 |
| 71 | George Blanda | 2062 | 1949 | 1975 | 4204 | 53-50-1 | 0.514 |
| 72 | Michael Vick | 2028 | 2001 | 2011 | 2782 | 53-37-1 | 0.588 |
| 73 | Greg Landry | 1916 | 1968 | 1984 | 2616 | 44-51-3 | 0.464 |
| 74 | Brian Sipe | 1911 | 1974 | 1983 | 3663 | 57-55-0 | 0.509 |
| 75 | Matt Hasselbeck | 1905 | 1999 | 2011 | 5125 | 78-69-0 | 0.531 |
| 76 | Doug Williams | 1883 | 1978 | 1989 | 2591 | 38-42-1 | 0.475 |
| 77 | Charley Johnson | 1842 | 1961 | 1975 | 3661 | 59-57-8 | 0.508 |
| 78 | Joe Ferguson | 1785 | 1973 | 1990 | 4831 | 79-92-0 | 0.462 |
| 79 | Jim McMahon | 1755 | 1982 | 1996 | 2799 | 67-30-0 | 0.691 |
| 80 | Phil Simms | 1749 | 1979 | 1993 | 5124 | 95-64-0 | 0.597 |
| 81 | Ed Danowski | 1684 | 1934 | 1941 | 637 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 82 | Matt Ryan | 1648 | 2008 | 2011 | 2107 | 43-19-0 | 0.694 |
| 83 | Ron Jaworski | 1645 | 1974 | 1989 | 4480 | 73-69-1 | 0.514 |
| 84 | Don Meredith | 1641 | 1960 | 1968 | 2569 | 48-33-4 | 0.588 |
| 85 | Doug Flutie | 1624 | 1986 | 2005 | 2258 | 38-28-0 | 0.576 |
| 86 | Neil Lomax | 1610 | 1981 | 1988 | 3515 | 47-52-2 | 0.475 |
| 87 | Bernie Masterson | 1608 | 1934 | 1940 | 409 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 88 | Dave Krieg | 1552 | 1980 | 1998 | 5805 | 98-77-0 | 0.56 |
| 89 | Danny White | 1551 | 1976 | 1988 | 3191 | 62-30-0 | 0.674 |
| 90 | Bill Nelsen | 1531 | 1963 | 1972 | 2056 | 40-31-3 | 0.561 |
| 91 | Steve DeBerg | 1487 | 1978 | 1998 | 5320 | 53-86-1 | 0.382 |
| 92 | Jeff Hostetler | 1407 | 1985 | 1997 | 2545 | 51-32-0 | 0.614 |
| 93 | Bill Kenney | 1394 | 1980 | 1988 | 2625 | 34-43-0 | 0.442 |
| 94 | Billy Wade | 1384 | 1954 | 1966 | 2720 | 40-43-2 | 0.482 |
| 95 | Neil O'Donnell | 1382 | 1991 | 2003 | 3488 | 55-45-0 | 0.55 |
| 96 | Chris Chandler | 1373 | 1988 | 2004 | 4385 | 67-85-0 | 0.441 |
| 97 | Wade Wilson | 1335 | 1981 | 1998 | 2645 | 36-33-0 | 0.522 |
| 98 | Norm Snead | 1320 | 1961 | 1976 | 4695 | 52-99-7 | 0.351 |
| 99 | Elvis Grbac | 1291 | 1994 | 2001 | 2574 | 40-30-0 | 0.571 |
| 100 | Jeff George | 1286 | 1990 | 2001 | 4325 | 46-78-0 | 0.371 |
| 101 | Tom Flores | 1252 | 1960 | 1969 | 1877 | 31-32-4 | 0.493 |
| 102 | Marc Bulger | 1210 | 2002 | 2009 | 3425 | 41-54-0 | 0.432 |
| 103 | Bob Monnett | 1202 | 1933 | 1938 | 290 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 104 | Bobby Hebert | 1183 | 1985 | 1996 | 3299 | 56-44-0 | 0.56 |
| 105 | George Ratterman | 1131 | 1947 | 1956 | 1450 | 9-8-1 | 0.528 |
| 106 | Bobby Thomason | 1119 | 1949 | 1957 | 1477 | 19-22-1 | 0.464 |
| 107 | Eli Manning | 1119 | 2004 | 2011 | 4115 | 69-50-0 | 0.58 |
| 108 | Jim Zorn | 1090 | 1976 | 1987 | 3362 | 44-62-0 | 0.415 |
| 109 | Jake Delhomme | 1023 | 1999 | 2011 | 3100 | 56-40-0 | 0.583 |
| 110 | Ed Brown | 1019 | 1954 | 1965 | 2181 | 55-38-5 | 0.587 |
| 111 | Keith Molesworth | 1006 | 1931 | 1937 | 220 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 112 | Ace Parker | 999 | 1937 | 1946 | 718 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 113 | Tommy Kramer | 978 | 1977 | 1990 | 3900 | 54-56-0 | 0.491 |
| 114 | Bill Munson | 973 | 1964 | 1979 | 2168 | 27-34-5 | 0.447 |
| 115 | Steve Beuerlein | 965 | 1988 | 2003 | 3660 | 47-55-0 | 0.461 |
| 116 | Steve Bartkowski | 963 | 1975 | 1986 | 3812 | 59-68-0 | 0.465 |
| 117 | Ray Mallouf | 913 | 1941 | 1949 | 326 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 118 | James Harris | 904 | 1969 | 1979 | 1250 | 25-16-0 | 0.61 |
| 119 | David Garrard | 879 | 2002 | 2010 | 2460 | 39-37-0 | 0.513 |
| 120 | Frankie Albert | 848 | 1946 | 1952 | 1644 | 13-16-1 | 0.45 |
| 121 | Babe Parilli | 846 | 1952 | 1969 | 3598 | 49-46-7 | 0.515 |
| 122 | Ken O'Brien | 837 | 1984 | 1993 | 3955 | 50-59-1 | 0.459 |
| 123 | Jake Plummer | 798 | 1997 | 2006 | 4634 | 69-67-0 | 0.507 |
| 124 | Jim Harbaugh | 796 | 1987 | 2000 | 4279 | 66-74-0 | 0.471 |
| 125 | Erik Kramer | 776 | 1987 | 1999 | 2421 | 31-36-0 | 0.463 |
| 126 | Virgil Carter | 766 | 1968 | 1976 | 838 | 16-14-0 | 0.533 |
| 127 | Pat Haden | 763 | 1976 | 1981 | 1478 | 35-19-1 | 0.645 |
| 128 | Stan Humphries | 724 | 1989 | 1997 | 2660 | 50-31-0 | 0.617 |
| 129 | Gary Danielson | 724 | 1976 | 1988 | 2115 | 28-31-1 | 0.475 |
| 130 | Brian Griese | 718 | 1998 | 2008 | 2989 | 45-38-0 | 0.542 |
| 131 | Bob Berry | 708 | 1965 | 1975 | 1342 | 20-29-3 | 0.413 |
| 132 | Cam Newton | 705 | 2011 | 2011 | 552 | 6-10-0 | 0.375 |
| 133 | Gus Frerotte | 691 | 1994 | 2008 | 3313 | 45-47-1 | 0.489 |
| 134 | Drew Bledsoe | 688 | 1993 | 2006 | 7184 | 98-95-0 | 0.508 |
| 135 | Jay Cutler | 661 | 2006 | 2011 | 2682 | 41-37-0 | 0.526 |
| 136 | Jeff Blake | 652 | 1992 | 2005 | 3489 | 39-61-0 | 0.39 |
| 137 | Tobin Rote | 633 | 1950 | 1966 | 3166 | 48-63-4 | 0.435 |
| 138 | Tuffy Leemans | 632 | 1936 | 1943 | 222 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 139 | Lynn Dickey | 630 | 1971 | 1985 | 3422 | 45-63-3 | 0.419 |
| 140 | Jay Schroeder | 619 | 1985 | 1994 | 3016 | 61-38-0 | 0.616 |
| 141 | Dutch Clark | 599 | 1931 | 1938 | 122 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 142 | Frank Filchock | 580 | 1938 | 1950 | 677 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 143 | Edd Hargett | 576 | 1969 | 1973 | 459 | 1-5-1 | 0.214 |
| 144 | Paul Governali | 564 | 1946 | 1948 | 500 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 145 | Tony Eason | 511 | 1983 | 1990 | 1741 | 28-23-0 | 0.549 |
| 146 | Scott Mitchell | 496 | 1991 | 2001 | 2501 | 32-39-0 | 0.451 |
| 147 | Glenn Presnell | 492 | 1931 | 1936 | 309 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 148 | Vince Ferragamo | 469 | 1977 | 1986 | 1709 | 27-26-0 | 0.509 |
| 149 | Harry Newman | 467 | 1933 | 1935 | 229 | 0-0-0 | --- |
| 150 | Don Strock | 454 | 1974 | 1988 | 816 | 16-6-0 | 0.727 |
For a long time, I was probably the leader of the “Tom Brady is overrated” crowd. But that wagon has long been without wheels. Even ignoring the postseason, Brady’s statistically the fifth best quarterback of all time. He has a top-five season, two of the top-ten seasons, three of the top thirty seasons and four of the top 100 seasons — all in his last four full seasons. There’s little reason to think another monster season isn’t on the horizon in 2012, either. Thanks largely to his 2007 season, he cracked my top 20 regular season list in 2008, but his run the last half-decade has been remarkable.
Ken Anderson is the highest ranking quarterback not eligible and not in the Hall of Fame; his case has been a thorn in the side of football statisticians for years. Conversely, Troy Aikman, Bob Griese, Bobby Layne and Terry Bradshaw all rank outside of the top 40 on this regular-season only list. Layne is an interesting character worthy of a much longer post. He retired as the career leader in passing touchdowns, passing yards, completions — and attempts. But he didn’t have any historically great seasons in Detroit; if you line up all the Hall of Fame quarterbacks in the modern era by their best couple of years, Layne would probably come in at the very end. The best stretch of his career statistically was his 10-game season with the Steelers in 1958, when he set career highs in yards per game, yards per attempt, and adjusted yards per attempt.
One note as you scan the list: remember that this system is designed to pick the best quarterbacks in football history; as such, the formula is much better for analyzing the quarterbacks at the top than in the middle. If you want to compare Brady to Manning, you would want to use this formula, but if you want to compare two lesser quarterbacks, the more appropriate baseline would be to replacement level, not league average.
I’ll close with one last list. I looked at all QBs on a year-to-year and five-year basis. Who was the best QB in 1980? Who was the best QB from 1950 to 1954? The table below shows the yearly leader in converted yards over average (including post-season) and the five-year leader.
I love this table, especially the five-year column. This snapshot of NFL history takes us from Arnie Herber and Cecil Isbell in Green Bay to Sid Luckman in Chicago; we see him pass the baton to Sammy Baugh, who in turns hands it off to Otto Graham. Him and Norm Van Brocklin were the stars of their era, but then Johnny Unitas became America’s quarterback. By the late ’60s, the AFL’s three star quarterbacks had become the top passers in pro football, and then Fran Tarkenton, Ken Anderson and Roger Staubach battled it out in the ’70s. Despite the presence of Joe Montana, Dan Fouts and Dan Marino take the cake in the ’80s, and then Steve Young began his remarkably efficient run in the ’90s. Brett Favre wasn’t consistent enough to become the game’s top quarterback for a long stretch, and we saw Kurt Warner and Rich Gannon have great, but short, runs as elite quarterbacks. Peyton Manning dominated the start of this decade, and now Brady has claimed the last five year run. My guess has Brady on here for a couple more seasons, and then Aaron Rodgers taking over.

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Every time I see such a list, I immediately am struck by the 49ers: Tittle-Brodie-Montana-Young-Garcia is just an incredible progression of quarterbacks (and during the one significant down period, between Brodie and Montana, they also had Jim Plunkett and Steve DeBerg–two guys who had pretty good careers, even if nowhere near the greats).
It’s also interesting at this point that Manning and Marino are pretty well entrenched at the top–there’s a sizable gap between them and then between Marino and third-place Steve Young. It will be interesting to see if Brady and/or Brees has enough big years left to reach that level or instead ends up more in the area of Young and Montana.
I love every time you do these rankings, Chase, and this time was no exception.
Brady certainly could challenge Marino. If he gets 1600 points of value this year — roughly his average the past 4 years — he’ll bring his career value up to just a shade under 10,000.
Oh man, Chase. No matter how small the difference between them, and no matter how laudatory you are of Joe Montana in the text, you have to know that Young over Montana on the all-time list is an open invitation for Niners fan trolling. You’ve been warned.
I’m not too concerned. Statistically, Young was a better regular season quarterback than Montana. If you take a look at their best 8 seasons in SF:
– Montana averaged 7.8 Y/A, Young averaged 8.3 Y/A
– Montana scored 215 total touchdowns in 110 starts; Young scored 228 TDs in 111 starts
– Montana committed 117 turnovers, Young committed 108
– Montana did have a slightly better sack rate, but obviously Young had a large ground advantage, gaining an extra 1600 rushing yards
But here’s something interesting. Montana’s 1989 season was similar in a lot of ways to Young’s 1992 performance, but this rates Young’s season as a bit more impressive. Why? Because the league average CY/P was half a yard higher in ’89 than ’92. Somewhat of an odd result, but basically the league average NY/A was 0.3 NY/A higher in ’89, and there were more rushing TDs and fewer fumbles by QBs. It may simply be that there was better QB play that year, making Montana less ahead of the competition.
I’m always surprised how unimpressive Elways passing numbers are. Some of his rushing value may be understated by this metric (correct?), and certainly his supporting cast was weak for most of his career, but 26th is pretty low for a guy many (including me) consider a top-10 QB of all time.
I mean it takes a lot of circumstantial evidence such as rushing value, supporting cast, come from behinds and Dan Reeves’ running philosophy to get him into the top-10.
Elway’s career-high was 27 TDs. He only went over 4,000 yards once. He only had a rating over 90 twice.
He was a very good QB for a long time, and he had a lot of success in the postseason, but he just never really put up big numbers for an entire season.
Context, please. Of the 99 seasons with 4,000+ passing yards from a QB 65 of them occurred after Elway retired. The game has evolved too much to allow straightforward QB comparisons even within the last 20 years.
For me there is such a significant jump in his rate stats as soon as he lost Reeves as a head coach (both with Fassel as OC and with Shanahan/Kubiak) that I’ll accept the anecdotal evidence that he should be ranked higher than the numbers show (unfavorable schemes, poor supporting cast, playing from behind, etc).
True. But there was at least one 4,000-yard passer every year of Elway’s career, except for 1987 (strike) and 1997. So it’s not like they weren’t happening.
Interestingly, Elway’s best yards/game season was that strike-shortened 1987 season. He was on pace for 4,264 yards that year.
Elway’s season by season breakdowns:
You can Dan Reeves it all you like, but with only three top-five performances, he’s not going to rank too highly here. I’m sure there are those who would prefer Elway to Young, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But statistically, it’s a no brainer. Of course, that’s why these are still supposed to be starting points: I have no problem with the argument that even though Young’s numbers were way better, Elway was the better quarterback because of X, Y and Z.
Then how come almost every QB thrived under Reeves except for Elway?
John Elway is the most overrated player in NFL history and this statistical analysis backs that up.
I’ve long considered Young to be underrated, but even I was surprised to see him above Montana (This will probably change tomorrow when I assume playoff games will be added).
Regarding Brady; does an unusually high portion of his career value come from the 2nd-half of his career? I also think he was probably overrated early on. But the last 6-7 seasons for him have been phenomenal. Does his recent suggest suggest that maybe he REALLY WAS that good early in his career, or does it mean that he just got better?
So Kurt Warner was the best QB from 1997-2001, despite only playing in 54% of the games during that period? Wow.
Yep, and it wasn’t even all that close. Warner was just so dominant from ’99 to ’01.
Here are the top QBs in total value from ’97 to ’01:
Judging from the comments above, it is interesting to see how strongly our subjective impressions want us to diminish or qualify the numbers and their outcome. If I understand the approach by Chase, the data analysis emphasizes how these QB’s performed efficiently over a particular period of time, with decreased weighting of “mass” or raw productivity. Additionally, you have a weighing system by percentage of their best years in a descending/deceasing order of weights (from best to worst with 5 percentage point increments.
Having read “Think Fast, Think Slow” by Kahneman (a book recommended at Smart Football) of the tension between our subjective/intuitive thinking and our slower, but more objective/analytical thinking, I can’t help but to notice some of this happening when Chase carefully laid out his method, the results of that method, and then the comments that suggest “But it just doesn’t feel right.”
Chase…thanks for the updated lists…your posts on the pfr blog were often a great read and I am glad I stumbled across your site.
Couple questions I had for you:
Thanks for the Elway statistics, do you have anywhere I can download a list of the other players by year?
If not available for download, what would the all-time regular season and playoff rankings look like if you removed negative seasons from a players total?
Will you be running revised rankings for running backs, wide receivers, etc?
Do you have a personal hall of fame that you planned to share with the readership?
Thanks for the fine articles and best of luck!
Thanks Ryan. I’m glad you found the site. Unfortunately I don’t have a downloadable list of players, but there will be revised lists in the future on all positions.
I just realized that the career lists do not zero out negative seasons. I guess this gives me a good reason to re-do this in the summer.
I think you have to consider more than passes attempted and completed and wins you also have to consider the teams they played for and the protection they had as well as the receivers they threw to and the running attack the team had to keep defences honest, and a real big issue is how their opponents reacted to playing against them, and in these terms my number one is and always will be Sir Fran Tarkenton, cause to me he was a knight. he was better than any of the others listed here bar none.
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