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Best AV-Weighted Winning Percentages of Offensive Players

by Chase Stuart on July 3, 2014

in History, Statgeekery

A true winner and Tom Brady

A true winner and Tom Brady.

Yesterday, I looked at the weighted career winning percentages for running backs, with the weight being based on each player’s yards from scrimmage in each season of his career. Today, I want to do the same thing but for all offensive players, using PFR’s Approximate Value ratings.

By this methodology, Dan Koppen has the highest AV-weighted career winning percentage of any offensive player since 1960. The table below shows his AV and team’s winning percentage in each season of his career. Because Koppen’s best season came in 2007, when the Patriots went 16-0, Koppen’s career winning percentage gets a big boost from that season (18.7% of his career winning percentage comes from ’07 since 18.7% of his career AV comes from that year). On the other hand, Koppen played in just one total game for the 13-3 Patriots (2011) and the 13-3 Broncos (2013), so he gets almost no credit for those performances. Of course, he doesn’t need it, because his average season, after adjusting the weights based on his AV grades, was a 13-3 season.

Year
Tm
G
GS
AV
Record
% of Car AV
WtWin%
2003NWE161570.8758%0.07
2004NWE1616100.87511.5%0.101
2005NWE9950.6255.7%0.036
2006NWE1616100.7511.5%0.086
2007NWE151516118.4%0.184
2008NWE1616100.68811.5%0.079
2009NWE1616100.62511.5%0.072
2010NWE1616110.87512.6%0.111
2011NWE1110.8131.1%0.009
2012DEN151270.8138%0.065
2013DEN000.8130%0
Total0100%0.813

The table below shows the top 500 career AV-adjusted winning percentages among all offensive player since 1960 (minimum: 50 points of AV). As always, players who entered the NFL before 1960 are included but only their seasons beginning in 1960 count. The table below is fully sortable and searchable, so get to searching and leave your thoughts in the comments.

Rk
Name
Pos
First
Last
AV
Win%
1Dan KoppenC20032012870.813
2Logan MankinsG20052013960.8
3Daryle LamonicaQB19631973900.79
4Matt LightT200120111180.789
5Mercury MorrisRB19691976550.788
6Fuzzy ThurstonG19601967570.786
7Tom BradyQB200120131900.781
8Fred BiletnikoffWR-FL196519781190.774
9Max McGeeE19601966630.772
10Brent JonesTE19881997610.767
11Cliff BranchWR197219841080.767
12Gene UpshawG196719811510.764
13Wes WelkerWR200420131040.762
14John MackeyTE19631972680.757
15John WilliamsT-G-DE19681979690.757
16Bubba ParisT-G19831991590.757
17Gerry MullinsG-T19711979550.756
18Lawrence McCutcheonRB19731981850.756
19Jerry KramerG19601968900.755
20Paul HornungHB-FB-QB19601966500.755
21Harris BartonT-G19871996940.754
22Jesse SapoluC-G19831997990.754
23Steve WallaceT-G19861997860.754
24John TaylorWR19871995680.751
25Chuck ForemanRB19731980920.749
26George BuehlerG19691979640.748
27Paul WarfieldWR-SE196419771360.745
28Joseph AddaiRB20062011540.743
29Jim TaylorFB19601967970.743
30Pat DonovanT19751983760.741
31Bob VogelT19631972910.74
32Dave DalbyC19721985860.74
33Dallas ClarkTE20032013610.74
34Herbert ScottG-T19751984790.74
35Ralph NeelyT-G196519771080.738
36Robert NewhouseRB19721982540.737
37Roger StaubachQB196919791280.736
38Steve NealG-T20022010600.736
39John FitzgeraldC-G19711980660.736
40Bob SkoronskiT-C19601968600.736
41Roger CraigRB198319931150.735
42Billy CannonTE-HB-FB19601970620.734
43Walt GarrisonRB19661974590.733
44Art ShellT196819821210.733
45Blaine NyeG19681976610.732
46Guy McIntyreG19841996890.732
47Boyd DowlerFL-SE-WR19601971930.731
48Rocky BleierRB19681980520.731
49Rayfield WrightT-TE196719791030.73
50Tom MackG196619781200.73
51Terrell DavisRB19952001790.729
52Forrest GreggT-G-DT196019711130.729
53Marv HubbardRB19691977520.729
54Jimbo CovertT19831990660.728
55Drew PearsonWR19731983990.728
56Larry LittleG-T196719801310.727
57Lynn SwannWR19741982730.727
58Bob KuechenbergG-T-C197019831130.725
59Paul LoweHB19601967550.724
60Tom MatteRB-QB19611972790.723
61Harry SchuhT19651974740.722
62Ed NewmanG19731984900.722
63Reggie WayneWR200120131480.721
64Bob HayesSE-WR19651975960.72
65Franco HarrisRB197219841340.72
66Jim LangerC-G197019811060.719
67Bill CurryC-LB19651974550.718
68Russ GrimmG-C19811991900.718
69John NilandG19661975890.717
70Preston PearsonRB19681980720.717
71Bart StarrQB196019711140.716
72Dan SullivanG-T19621972600.716
73Jeff SaturdayC199920121670.716
74Peyton ManningQB199820132540.714
75Joe JacobyT-G198119931030.713
76Michael TurnerRB20042012620.712
77Lance RentzelWR-FL19651974630.711
78Wayne MooreT19701978510.711
79Tony NathanRB19791987700.709
80Mark van EeghenRB19741983760.709
81Dave MandersC19641974560.707
82Antonio FreemanWR19952003740.704
83Joe MontanaQB198019941640.704
84Del ShofnerE-DB19601967540.702
85Dorsey LevensRB19952004620.702
86Leon SearcyT19921999610.701
87Ken StablerQB197119841190.701
88Earl DotsonT19932002510.7
89Steve YoungQB198519991710.699
90Jimmy OrrFL-E-SE-WR19601970780.697
91Gary CollinsFL-WR-P19621971870.697
92Carl NicksT20082013560.696
93Dwight StephensonC-T19801987910.696
94Kevin FaulkRB19992011700.696
95Yancey ThigpenWR19932000510.695
96Henry LawrenceT-G19741986850.695
97Terry BradshawQB197019821370.694
98Jerry RiceWR198520042500.694
99Ron YaryT196819821280.693
100Jim BrownFB196019651220.692
101Marcus McNeillT20062011530.691
102Robert SmithRB19932000680.69
103Tony DorsettRB197719881380.688
104Jim CooperT-C-G19771986590.688
105Ryan DiemT-G20012011830.688
106Ernie GreenHB-FB19621968600.688
107Otis TaylorWR-FL19651974950.688
108Marvel SmithT20002008550.688
109Calvin HillRB19691981880.687
110Jon KolbT-C19691981810.687
111Deion BranchWR20022012630.687
112Hewritt DixonRB-TE19631970550.686
113Dick SchafrathT-G-DE196019711150.686
114Ken ImanC19601974820.686
115John MorrowC-G19601966590.684
116Larry CsonkaRB19681979880.683
117Willie GaultWR19831993670.683
118Jeff BosticC19801993860.682
119Gene HickersonG196019731110.682
120Earl MorrallQB19601976860.682
121Nat MooreWR-RB197419861030.682
122Jon GieslerT19791988640.68
123Adam TimmermanG199520061020.68
124Danny WhiteQB-P197619881020.679
125Tony HillWR19781986820.678
126Dick SzymanskiC-LB19601968640.678
127Edgerrin JamesRB199920091360.678
128Josh SittonG20082013590.677
129Thurman ThomasRB198820001380.677
130Aaron RodgersQB20072013980.676
131Mickey MarvinG19771986560.676
132Jim KiickRB19681976700.673
133Jake ScottG-T20042012690.673
134Louis VasquezG20092013500.673
135George StarkeT19731984770.672
136Joe TheismannQB197419851050.671
137Les JosephsonRB19641973550.67
138Johnny UnitasQB196019731450.67
139Jonathan GoodwinG20022013630.67
140Bart OatesC198519951040.669
141Jeff ChristyC19932002750.669
142Jack SnowWR-SE19651975760.667
143Marcus AllenRB198219971420.666
144Todd ChristensenTE-FB19811988580.666
145Rich SaulC-G-T19701981820.665
146Leroy KellyRB196419731020.665
147Rod SmithWR199520061260.665
148Rosey BrownT19601965560.665
149Jim TyrerT196119741260.664
150Jim RingoC19601967910.664
151Mark SchlerethG-C19892000820.664
152Ed WhiteG-T196919851280.663
153Darren SprolesRB20052013560.661
154Larry BrownT-TE19711984670.661
155Ray RiceRB20082013700.659
156Bruce DavisT-G19791989650.659
157Frank WintersC-G19872002890.658
158Jay HilgenbergC-G198119931050.658
159Monte ClarkT-DT-DE19601969620.658
160Tom ThayerG-C19851992580.658
161Brandon StokleyWR20002013560.657
162Kris DielmanG20042011760.656
163Michael IrvinWR198819991290.656
164Dave OsbornRB19651975550.656
165Art MonkWR198019951290.655
166Ed BuddeG19631976980.655
167Keith JacksonTE19881996520.655
168Ben RoethlisbergerQB200420131190.653
169Jay NovacekTE19871995530.653
170Keith BishopG-C19801989510.652
171Joe FlaccoQB20082013690.652
172Ron MixT-G196019711020.652
173Jahri EvansT200620131090.652
174Alex SanduskyG19601966530.652
175Gary ClarkWR198519951070.651
176Kent HullC198619961070.651
177Jack KempQB19601969830.651
178Shannon SharpeTE199020031040.65
179John WootenG19601968640.65
180Marvin HarrisonWR199620081610.649
181Lenny MooreHB-FL19601967710.649
182Jon RunyanT199620091050.649
183Jim ParkerT-G19601967820.649
184Plaxico BurressWR20002011830.648
185Len DawsonQB196219751440.648
186Curtis McClintonFB-TE19621968540.648
187Ron JessieWR19711981570.648
188Antonio GatesTE200320131050.648
189Dave HillT19631974670.647
190Tom NalenC199420071330.647
191Roy FosterG-T19821992860.646
192Joe MorrisRB19821991500.646
193Brett FavreQB199220102540.646
194Matt RyanQB20082013860.645
195Mark RypienQB19881997620.645
196Frank RyanQB19601968900.645
197Jermon BushrodT20092013510.645
198Sam DavisG19671979620.645
199Mike ThomasRB19751980530.645
200Hines WardWR199820111170.643
201John ElwayQB198319982030.643
202Scott WellsG-C20042013690.643
203Mark BortzG19831994790.643
204Troy AikmanQB198920001220.642
205Ed McCaffreyWR19912003800.641
206Duriel HarrisWR19761984620.641
207Bob GrieseQB196719801390.64
208Larry Brown Jr.RB19691976910.64
209Glenn ResslerG-C-T-DT19651974580.639
210Mark DuperWR19831992930.639
211John StallworthWR197419871020.636
212Randy MossWR199820121610.635
213Donovan McNabbQB199920111380.635
214Lance AlworthFL-WR196219721200.635
215Eddie GeorgeRB19962004910.634
216Joe StaleyT20072013580.634
217Max StarksT20042012520.633
218Marques ColstonWR20062013770.633
219Joe ScibelliG-T19611975810.633
220Jim KellyQB198619961320.632
221Garrison HearstRB19932004820.631
222Milt MorinTE19661974560.631
223Philip RiversQB200620131270.63
224Charlie JohnsonT20062013640.63
225Jim OttoC196019741540.63
226Jim McMahonQB19821994710.63
227Raymond ChesterTE19701981650.63
228Kordell StewartQB19952003680.63
229Kurt WarnerQB199920091130.63
230Tom RaffertyC-G19761989970.63
231Dave SzottG19902003900.629
232Tyson ClaboT20062013630.629
233Tony BoselliT19952001740.628
234Marco RiveraG19972006840.628
235Raymond BerryE19601967710.628
236Paul HowardG19731986740.627
237Tarik GlennT-G199720061050.627
238Ahman GreenRB19982009940.627
239Greg JenningsWR20062013710.627
240Randall CunninghamQB198520011340.627
241Dalton HilliardRB19861993540.625
242Jay SchroederQB19851994730.625
243Tra ThomasT19982009880.624
244Charlie CowanT-G196119751050.624
245Erik WilliamsT19912000810.623
246Terry HermelingT-G-DE19701980550.623
247Mike GarrettRB19661973770.623
248Craig MortonQB196519821150.623
249Marshal YandaT20072013510.623
250Chad CliftonT20002011920.622
251Glenn ParkerG-T19902001740.622
252Joe AndruzziG19982006530.621
253Joel HilgenbergC-G19841993600.621
254Dan NeilG19982004600.621
255Harry SwayneT-DE19872001640.62
256Nick HardwickC20042013830.62
257Phil SimmsQB197919931180.62
258Milt SundeG19641974610.619
259Ricky WattersRB199220011250.619
260Milt PlumQB19601967590.619
261Norm BulaichRB19701979590.619
262Ben GrubbsG20072013500.619
263Steve WatsonWR19791987560.619
264Emmitt SmithRB199020041700.618
265Mark MayG-T-C19811993800.618
266Brian WestbrookRB20022010800.618
267George KunzT19691980860.617
268John JeffersonWR19781984610.617
269Alex SmithQB20062013560.617
270Drew BreesQB200120131770.617
271Dave StuddardT-G-TE19791988660.616
272Duce StaleyRB19982005600.616
273Jeff HartingsC-G19962006890.616
274George BlandaQB196019751260.615
275Mark ClaytonWR19831993950.615
276Tim GrunhardC19902000820.614
277Keith ByarsRB-TE19861998770.614
278Dave MeggettRB19891997520.613
279George SauerSE-WR19651970570.613
280Elvis GrbacQB19942001510.613
281Mike DitkaTE19611972670.612
282Howard BallardT19881998840.612
283Russ FrancisTE19751988600.612
284Dan MarinoQB198319992160.612
285Nate NewtonG-T198619991070.611
286Terry MetcalfRB-WR19731981650.611
287Roddy WhiteWR20052013950.611
288Randall McDanielG198820011640.611
289Keith Van HorneT19811993810.61
290Otis ArmstrongRB19731980590.61
291Edgar BennettRB19921999530.61
292Hank FraleyC-G20012009560.609
293Donald DriverWR20002012960.609
294Dwight ClarkWR19791987720.609
295Jermane MayberryG-T19962005520.609
296Andre ReedWR198520001330.608
297Jim ClackC-G19711981580.607
298Alan FanecaG-T199820101450.607
299Frank LewisWR19721983780.607
300William RobertsG-T19841997830.607
301Mike WebsterC-G197419901630.607
302Troy BrownWR19952006650.607
303Tony MartinWR19902001830.606
304Bill BryanC-G19771988750.606
305Shaun AlexanderRB20002007790.606
306Cris CarterWR198720021350.606
307Fred HoaglinC19661976530.605
308Eric MartinWR19851994810.605
309Orlando PaceT199720091230.605
310Mark TuineiT-C-DT19831997760.604
311Ben HamiltonG-C20022010620.604
312Chris BurfordSE-WR19601967680.603
313Lydell MitchellRB197219791010.603
314Dave CasperTE19751983610.602
315Will WolfordT-G198619981000.601
316LaDainian TomlinsonRB200120111580.6
317Mick TingelhoffC196219781490.6
318Isaac CurtisWR19731984840.599
319Steve McNairQB199520071260.599
320Dermontti DawsonC-G198820001250.598
321Conrad DoblerG19721981680.598
322Justin BlalockG20072013570.598
323Tim RuddyC19942003750.598
324Derrick DeeseT-G19942004770.597
325Terry KirbyRB19932002560.597
326Ken AndersonQB197119861610.597
327Terrell OwensWR199620101650.597
328Norm EvansT19651978890.597
329Mike WahleG-T19992008700.596
330Matt LepsisT19982007780.596
331Keenan McCardellWR199320071120.596
332Randy CrossG-C197619881140.596
333Gary ZimmermanT198619971310.596
334Chris SneeG20042013900.596
335Fred MillerT-G19962007800.595
336Jake ReedWR19922002630.595
337Cody RisienT-G19791989780.594
338Ken LanierT19811993840.594
339Derrick MasonWR199720111160.594
340Harold JacksonWR-FL196919831230.593
341Mark TauscherT-G20002010680.593
342Elbert DubenionFL-WR-HB19601967570.592
343Brian HabibG-T19891999740.592
344Dennis HarrahG-C19751987800.592
345Ricky SandersWR19861994620.591
346Leon GrayT-G19731983810.591
347John AltT19841996850.591
348Joe CribbsRB19801987600.59
349Eli ManningQB200520131090.59
350Keith SimsG19902000830.59
351Vance JohnsonWR19851995550.589
352Jake DelhommeQB19992011670.589
353Will ShieldsG199320061560.589
354Santonio HolmesWR20062013530.588
355Rich GannonQB199020041200.588
356Walter PaytonRB197519871680.587
357Todd SteussieT19942007960.587
358Benji OlsonG19982007660.587
359Frank WycheckTE19932003510.587
360Tony RomoQB20062013990.586
361Billy WadeQB19601965530.586
362DeSean JacksonWR20082013580.586
363Jim RitcherG19801995890.585
364Stan HumphriesQB19901997550.585
365Cris CollinsworthWR19811988740.585
366Richmond WebbT199020021270.585
367Neal AndersonRB19861993690.584
368Kareem McKenzieT20012011800.584
369Len HaussC196419771090.583
370Babe ParilliQB19601969710.583
371Todd HeapTE20012012530.583
372Wayne HawkinsG19601969670.582
373Billy ShieldsT19751985710.582
374David DixonG19952004770.581
375Jimmy SmithWR199520051190.581
376Darrell DessG-T19601969610.58
377Earnest BynerRB198419971060.58
378Ray PinneyT-G-C19761987500.579
379Dave LaphamG-C-T19741983630.578
380Ken BowmanC19641973500.578
381Roberto GarzaG-C20012012680.578
382Claudie MinorT19741982570.577
383Larry GarronHB-FB19611968520.577
384Steve HutchinsonG200120121180.577
385Bill NelsenQB19641972600.577
386Mark JacksonWR19861994520.577
387Johnny MorrisFL-HB19601967600.576
388Neil O'DonnellQB19912003720.576
389Fred QuillanC19781987760.575
390Jamal LewisRB20002009820.575
391Terry GlennWR19962006820.574
392Daryn ColledgeT20062013610.574
393Riley OdomsTE19721983670.573
394Jim LacheyT19851995920.573
395O.J. McDuffieWR19932000500.573
396Jim DombrowskiG-T19861996730.572
397Clem DanielsHB-DB19611968730.572
398Marshall FaulkRB199420051660.572
399Torry HoltWR199920091240.572
400Jeremy ShockeyTE20022011590.572
401Altie TaylorRB19691975670.572
402Steve GroganQB197519901160.572
403John JacksonT19882001770.571
404Mike AlstottRB19962006580.571
405Leroy HoardRB19901999510.571
406Matt HasselbeckQB200120121060.571
407Forrest BlueC19681978770.57
408Max MontoyaG197919941220.57
409Don MosebarC-T-G19831994790.57
410Keith LincolnFB-HB19611968550.569
411John GilliamWR-FL19671977910.568
412Curtis MartinRB199520051290.567
413Brad JohnsonQB19952008910.567
414Vincent JacksonWR20052013790.567
415Antowain SmithRB19972005570.567
416Doug RiesenbergT19871996680.567
417Roman GabrielQB196219761310.567
418Andre GurodeG-C20022013780.567
419David AlexanderC-G-T19871996560.566
420Wendell TylerRB19771986660.566
421John HadlQB196219761430.565
422Todd McClureC20002012980.565
423John TaitT19992008610.565
424Sammy WhiteWR19761985620.564
425Kevin GoganG-T19872000950.564
426Bobby HebertQB19851996790.564
427Marshawn LynchRB20072013620.564
428Mark StepnoskiC-G198920011040.563
429Ernie WrightT19601972780.563
430Wilbert MontgomeryRB19771985810.563
431Olin KreutzC19982011940.563
432Sam CunninghamRB19731981690.563
433Ryan CladyT20082013570.563
434Rufus MayesT-G19691979620.562
435Curt WarnerRB19831990670.562
436Kevin MawaeC-G199420091540.562
437Todd HerremansT20052013590.561
438Ernest GivinsWR19861995790.561
439Blair BushC19781994880.561
440Stew BarberT-LB-G19611969590.561
441Stephen DavisRB19962006670.561
442Jason WittenTE20032013890.561
443David DiehlG-T20032013850.561
444Shaun O'HaraG-C20002010760.561
445Jason FabiniT19982008640.561
446Billy ShawG19611969680.56
447Flozell AdamsT-G-TE199820101010.559
448John RigginsRB197119851210.559
449Brad HopkinsT19932005930.559
450LeSean McCoyRB20092013520.559
451Jim ColcloughE19601968540.559
452Pete JohnsonRB19771984590.559
453Shawn JeffersonWR19912002670.559
454Ben ColemanG-T19932001500.559
455Kellen WinslowTE19791987710.559
456Dan FikeG-T19851992550.558
457Walt SweeneyG196319751000.558
458Rick UpchurchWR19751983530.558
459Jeromey ClaryT20072013560.558
460Haywood JeffiresWR19871996600.558
461Stanley MorganWR197719901090.558
462Chris GrayG-C19942007860.557
463DeAngelo WilliamsRB20062013590.557
464Irv GoodeG-T-C19621974690.557
465Don MeredithQB19601968830.557
466Anthony CarterWR19851994770.557
467Bryant McKinnieT20022013810.556
468Bob DeMarcoC-G19611975990.556
469John FinaT19922001600.556
470Matt ForteRB20082013680.556
471Ken WillardRB19651974750.556
472Bob BrownT19641973950.556
473Ryan TuckerT19992007540.556
474Elmer CollettG19671977630.555
475Jeff UhlenhakeC19891997580.555
476Pete BrockC-T-G19761987530.555
477Matt BirkC199820121060.555
478Bernie KosarQB19851996800.555
479Keith FahnhorstT19741987980.554
480Charley LongG-T19611969510.554
481Roman ObenT19972005570.553
482Warrick DunnRB199720081230.553
483Jordan GrossT20032013900.553
484Walter JonesT199720081260.553
485Chad PenningtonQB20022009620.552
486Bill BrownRB19611974900.552
487Priest HolmesRB19982007920.552
488Jerry SmithTE-SE-FL19651976690.552
489Sam GruneisenC-G-LB19621973540.552
490Steve WisniewskiG198920011400.552
491Eric DickersonRB198319931100.552
492Bob WetoskaT-G-C19601969500.552
493Robbie TobeckC-G19952006850.551
494Jim PlunkettQB197119861090.551
495Harry GalbreathG19881996730.551
496Jerome BettisRB199320051020.551
497Amani ToomerWR19962008850.551
498Mike PyleC19611969560.55
499Charlie SandersTE19681977650.549
500Freddie SolomonWR-QB-RB19751985720.549

Quarterbacks

It’s no surprise that Daryle Lamonica and Tom Brady top the lists at quarterback. Lamonica began his career with a 17-1 record, while Brady is the only quarterback with 100+ more wins than losses. Roger Staubach, Bart Starr, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Ken Stabler, Steve Young, and Terry Bradshaw all appear in the top 100: hey, if those guys weren’t at the top, there’d be something wrong with my methodology.

Running Backs

Mercury Morris didn’t qualify for yesterday’s post because he has just 4,676 yards from scrimmage, but he checks in at #5 overall here. Among older backs, Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor, Billy Cannon, Paul Lowe, and Jim Brown (at #100) crack the top 100, while Joseph Addai also breaks into the top 30 once you remove the yardage thresholds (at 5901, he missed it yesterday).

Wide Receivers

Fred Biletnikoff and Cliff Branch rank 8th and 11th overall, which isn’t news to anyone who remembers this post. Wes Welker ranks 13th and his charmed life doesn’t seem likely to end anytime soon. Jerry Rice comes in at #98, which is ahead of Dwight Clark (#294) but behind John Taylor (#24).

Tim Brown doesn’t crack the top 500, but Andre Reed and Cris Carter are both right around #300. I’m a bit surprised to see Marvin Harrison (0.649) and Randy Moss (0.635) so close together; Terrell Owens is at 0.597, while Torry Holt is last in that quartet at 0.572.

Tight Ends

Brent Jones, John Mackey, and Dallas Clark are the “winningest” tight ends. Shannon Sharpe had a 0.650 adjusted winning percentage, Antonio Gates is at 0.648, Jason Witten is at 0.561, and Tony Gonzalez does not make the list. In 12 years in Kansas City, the Chiefs went 95-97, while the Falcons went 49-31 during his five years in Atlanta. Still, that gives Gonzalez only a (unadjusted) 0.529 winning percentage.

Offensive Lineman

Three Patriots linemen crack the top four on this list; after them, Packers great Fuzzy Thurston is the next linemen, followed by Gene Upshaw and John Williams. Williams is an interesting case: he played on teams that went 42-12-2 in Baltimore (0.768) and then 81-33-2 (0.707) in LA. Or, to put it another way, while playing with two franchises across twelve seasons, he played on teams that went 10-4 or better nine different times. For the Steelers fans out there, Mike Webster (0.607) edges out Dermontti Dawson (0.598), but both have lower percentages than I would have expected. Carl Nicks, even after nine games of Operation Schiano, has the highest adjusted winning percentage of any active offensive linemen that doesn’t have Patriots ties.

Which players/results surprised you?

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Matt July 3, 2014 at 12:17 am

Go pats!

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ubrab July 3, 2014 at 2:02 am

Not sure there is any surprise: for recent players it’s a list of guys that played enough seasons with NE or IND. “Good” to see that Welker’s Miami years are not bringing him down too much.

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Bryan Frye July 3, 2014 at 9:26 am

Can’t the Webster/Dawson and Nicks rankings be attributed to the way AV is calculated for offensive linemen?

Webster played for fairly high scoring teams. In his best 10-year AV stretch (76-85), the Steelers ranked 5, 7, 5, 1, 10, 8, 8, 14, 8, and 9 in points.

Dawson played for some pretty bad offenses, with his top ten stretch (89-98) ranking 24, 20, 17, 15, 13, 16, 5, 11, 7, and 28.

Nicks, on the other hands, got his best AV years with the Saints. His TB years combined don’t match his AV form his worst year in the Big Easy. His teams ranked 1, 1, 11, 2, 13, and 30.

If an OL plays for a high scoring team, he is a little overrated by AV (in my opinion). For instance, John Sullivan played great in 2012, but the Vikings only ranked 14th in points scored. Zach Strief played okay in 2012 and even missed 4 games, but the Saints ranked 3rd in points. Strief also gets the 1.2 multiplier for being a tackle. Sullivan’s AV was 8, while Strief’s was 7.

If you want to throw another lineman from 2012 in there, Dan Connolly had an AV of 10, mostly because the Pats led the league in scoring. I wouldn’t argue that he outplayed Sullivan, and I am pretty sure PFF rated him pretty high too.

That is just my theory on why results for linemen may look funny.

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