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No one is more prolific at touchdowns than Manning

No one is more prolific at touchdowns than Manning.

Yesterday, Peyton Manning threw four touchdown passes against Arizona. In the process, he joined Brett Favre as the only players in NFL history to throw 500 career touchdown passes. In previewing that game, Mike Tanier noted that it would require us to travel back to 1987 to collect 500 Cardinals touchdown throws.

Naturally, that made me wonder how far back we would have to go to calculate the last 500 touchdown passes for each franchise. The four most recent expansion franchises — Houston, Jacksonville, Carolina, and Baltimore — have yet to throw even 400 touchdown passes. For Manning, of course, he’s thrown 500 passes beginning in the 1998 season. That’s better than any franchise in the NFL; the closest team would be the Packers. To count 500 Green Bay touchdown throws, you would need to start on November 23, 1997. Beginning on that date, Favre would throw another 269 touchdowns for the Packers, Aaron Rodgers would chip in with 200, and a handful of other Green Bay players would combine for 31 scoring throws.

For the Colts and the Patriots, you need to go back to 1996, to capture the careers of Manning, Andrew Luck, Tom Brady, Drew Bledsoe, and a host of players with fewer than 25 touchdown passes. The table below shows how far back you need to go to get to 500 touchdown throws for each franchise in the NFL.1 For each team, I’ve listed the first date in the run to 500, along with every player who threw a touchdown pass for each franchise during the course of that streak. The players are listed in roughly reverse chronological order, and I’ve included each passer’s total number of touchdowns for the franchise during the streak in parentheses.

TeamDateQuarterback
GNB11/23/1997Aaron Rodgers (200); Matt Flynn (16); Scott Tolzien (1); Tim Masthay (1); Brett Favre (269); Craig Nall (5); Tony Fisher (1); Ahman Green (1); Doug Pederson (3); Bubba Franks (1); Matt Hasselbeck (2)
IND12/15/1996Andrew Luck (59); Dan Orlovsky (6); Curtis Painter (6); Kerry Collins (2); Peyton Manning (399); Joseph Addai (1); Jim Sorgi (6); Ken Dilger (1); Jim Harbaugh (14); Paul Justin (5); Kelly Holcomb (1)
NWE10/27/1996Tom Brady (363); Jimmy Garoppolo (1); Brian Hoyer (1); Matt Cassel (23); Vinny Testaverde (1); Adam Vinatieri (1); David Patten (1); Drew Bledsoe (102); Michael Bishop (1); Scott Zolak (5); Dave Meggett (1)
NOR11/19/1995Drew Brees (290); Jamie Martin (1); Todd Bouman (3); Aaron Brooks (120); Deuce McAllister (1); Jeff Blake (13); Jake Delhomme (3); Billy Joe Tolliver (15); Billy Joe Hobert (13); Kerry Collins (4); Danny Wuerffel (9); Lamar Smith (1); Heath Shuler (2); Mario Bates (1); Doug Nussmeier (1); Jim Everett (23)
DEN12/24/1994Peyton Manning (100); Tim Tebow (17); Kyle Orton (49); Jay Cutler (54); Patrick Ramsey (1); Jake Plummer (71); Danny Kanell (2); Steve Beuerlein (8); Brian Griese (71); Gus Frerotte (12); Chris Miller (2); John Elway (101); Bubby Brister (10); Hugh Millen (2)
MIN11/28/1993Matt Cassel (14); Christian Ponder (38); Joe Webb (3); Donovan McNabb (4); Brett Favre (44); Tarvaris Jackson (24); Gus Frerotte (19); Chester Taylor (1); Brooks Bollinger (1); Kelly Holcomb (2); Brad Johnson (65); Mewelde Moore (1); Ryan Longwell (1); Daunte Culpepper (135); Randy Moss (2); Spergon Wynn (1); Todd Bouman (8); Jeff George (23); Randall Cunningham (48); Warren Moon (58); Jim McMahon (6); Sean Salisbury (2)
SFO12/6/1992Colin Kaepernick (37); Alex Smith (81); David Akers (1); Troy Smith (5); Shaun Hill (23); J.T. O'Sullivan (8); Chris Weinke (1); Trent Dilfer (7); Ken Dorsey (8); Tim Rattay (24); Jeff Garcia (113); Rick Mirer (1); Steve Young (162); Ty Detmer (4); Terry Kirby (2); Jim Druckenmiller (1); Elvis Grbac (18); Jeff Brohm (1); Jerry Rice (1); Joe Montana (2)
ATL11/22/1992Matt Ryan (163); Chris Redman (14); Joey Harrington (7); Byron Leftwich (1); Michael Vick (71); Matt Schaub (6); Doug Johnson (13); Kurt Kittner (2); Chris Chandler (87); Danny Kanell (6); Tony Graziani (2); Steve DeBerg (3); Billy Joe Tolliver (10); Jamal Anderson (1); Bobby Hebert (50); Browning Nagle (1); Jeff George (50); Chris Miller (1); Wade Wilson (12)
DAL11/24/1991Tony Romo (215); Kyle Orton (3); Stephen McGee (3); Jon Kitna (17); Brooks Bollinger (1); Brad Johnson (2); Drew Bledsoe (30); Vinny Testaverde (17); Drew Henson (1); Richie Anderson (1); Quincy Carter (29); Chad Hutchinson (7); Ryan Leaf (1); Clint Stoerner (4); Anthony Wright (5); Troy Aikman (135); Randall Cunningham (6); Jason Garrett (11); Wade Wilson (1); Rodney Peete (4); Bernie Kosar (3); Steve Beuerlein (4)
PHI11/24/1991Nick Foles (39); Michael Vick (57); Vince Young (4); Kevin Kolb (11); Donovan McNabb (216); A.J. Feeley (16); Jeff Garcia (10); Mike McMahon (5); Jeff Blake (1); Freddie Mitchell (1); Koy Detmer (10); Brian Mitchell (1); Brian Westbrook (1); Doug Pederson (7); Rodney Peete (17); Bobby Hoying (11); Ty Detmer (22); Mark Rypien (1); Randall Cunningham (43); Bubby Brister (16); Ken O'Brien (4); Jim McMahon (2); Jeff Kemp (5)
SDG9/15/1991Philip Rivers (230); Billy Volek (1); LaDainian Tomlinson (7); Drew Brees (80); Doug Flutie (25); Ryan Leaf (13); Jim Harbaugh (18); Erik Kramer (2); Craig Whelihan (14); Terrell Fletcher (1); Stan Humphries (85); Jim Everett (1); Sean Salisbury (5); Gale Gilbert (3); John Friesz (15)
STL12/2/1990Austin Davis (3); Kellen Clemens (10); Sam Bradford (59); Johnny Hekker (1); A.J. Feeley (1); Keith Null (3); Kyle Boller (3); Marc Bulger (122); Josh Brown (1); Gus Frerotte (7); Steven Jackson (1); Jamie Martin (15); Ryan Fitzpatrick (4); Chris Chandler (9); Kurt Warner (102); Az-Zahir Hakim (1); Trent Green (16); Joe Germaine (1); Steve Bono (5); Tony Banks (36); Mark Rypien (9); Chris Miller (34); T.J. Rubley (8); Jim Everett (46); Mike Pagel (3)
CIN10/22/1990Andy Dalton (82); Mohamed Sanu (2); Bruce Gradkowski (1); Carson Palmer (154); Ryan Fitzpatrick (8); Jon Kitna (59); Gus Frerotte (1); Scott Mitchell (3); Akili Smith (5); Jeff Blake (93); Eric Kresser (1); Neil O'Donnell (15); Paul Justin (1); Boomer Esiason (49); Erik Wilhelm (1); David Klingler (16); Lee Johnson (1); Jay Schroeder (5); Donald Hollas (3)
BUF10/7/1990EJ Manuel (16); Thaddeus Lewis (4); Jeff Tuel (1); Ryan Fitzpatrick (80); Trent Edwards (25); Fred Jackson (1); Brian Moorman (2); J.P. Losman (33); Marshawn Lynch (1); Kelly Holcomb (10); Drew Bledsoe (55); Shane Matthews (1); Travis Brown (1); Alex Van Pelt (16); Rob Johnson (27); Doug Flutie (47); Todd Collins (16); Jim Kelly (151); Frank Reich (11); Gale Gilbert (2)
DET9/30/1990Matthew Stafford (114); Shaun Hill (18); Drew Stanton (5); Daunte Culpepper (7); Dan Orlovsky (8); Jon Kitna (44); J.T. O'Sullivan (1); Joey Harrington (60); Jeff Garcia (3); Mike McMahon (10); Ty Detmer (3); Charlie Batch (49); Stoney Case (1); Gus Frerotte (9); Frank Reich (5); Scott Mitchell (79); Don Majkowski (4); Dave Krieg (14); Erik Kramer (23); Rodney Peete (29); Andre Ware (5); Bob Gagliano (9)
TEN9/9/1990Jake Locker (25); Charlie Whitehurst (1); Ryan Fitzpatrick (14); Matt Hasselbeck (25); Kerry Collins (33); Vince Young (42); Billy Volek (26); Steve McNair (156); Drew Bennett (1); Neil O'Donnell (16); Frank Wycheck (2); Mike Archie (1); Willie Davis (1); Chris Chandler (33); Will Furrer (2); Billy Joe Tolliver (6); Bucky Richardson (6); Cody Carlson (17); Warren Moon (93)
PIT12/24/1989Ben Roethlisberger (223); Charlie Batch (12); Antwaan Randle El (4); Dennis Dixon (1); Mewelde Moore (1); Byron Leftwich (2); Tommy Maddox (42); Jerome Bettis (3); Josh Miller (1); Kordell Stewart (70); Kent Graham (1); Mike Tomczak (37); Neil O'Donnell (68); Jim Miller (2); Bubby Brister (33)
MIA11/19/1989Ryan Tannehill (42); Matt Moore (17); Chad Henne (31); Tyler Thigpen (3); Ronnie Brown (2); Chad Pennington (20); Cleo Lemon (8); John Beck (1); Trent Green (5); Joey Harrington (12); Daunte Culpepper (2); Gus Frerotte (18); Sage Rosenfels (6); A.J. Feeley (11); Jay Fiedler (66); Brian Griese (5); Ray Lucas (4); Damon Huard (9); Dan Marino (208); Craig Erickson (4); Bernie Kosar (5); Terry Kirby (1); Scott Mitchell (12); Steve DeBerg (6); Keith Byars (1); Scott Secules (1)
OAK11/5/1989Derek Carr (4); Matt McGloin (9); Terrelle Pryor (9); Matt Flynn (1); Darren McFadden (1); Carson Palmer (35); Shane Lechler (1); Jason Campbell (19); Bruce Gradkowski (11); Charlie Frye (1); JaMarcus Russell (18); Josh McCown (10); Daunte Culpepper (5); Aaron Brooks (3); Andrew Walter (3); Marques Tuiasosopo (2); Kerry Collins (41); Rich Gannon (114); Rick Mirer (3); Wade Wilson (7); Jeff George (33); Donald Hollas (10); Jeff Hostetler (69); Harvey Williams (2); Billy Joe Hobert (10); Vince Evans (16); Jay Schroeder (46); Todd Marinovich (8); Marcus Allen (1); Steve Beuerlein (8)
KAN10/8/1989Alex Smith (30); Chase Daniel (1); Brady Quinn (2); Matt Cassel (59); Kyle Orton (1); Tyler Palko (2); Brodie Croyle (8); Tyler Thigpen (18); Larry Johnson (1); Quinn Gray (1); Mark Bradley (1); Damon Huard (24); Trent Green (118); Todd Collins (1); Elvis Grbac (66); Warren Moon (1); Rich Gannon (23); Marcus Allen (2); Steve Bono (37); Joe Montana (29); Dave Krieg (22); Steve DeBerg (49); Mark Vlasic (2); Steve Pelluer (1); Ron Jaworski (1)
WAS10/8/1989Kirk Cousins (14); Robert Griffin (36); Rex Grossman (23); Brandon Banks (1); John Beck (2); Donovan McNabb (14); Jason Campbell (55); Hunter Smith (1); Antwaan Randle El (2); Todd Collins (5); Clinton Portis (3); Mark Brunell (38); Patrick Ramsey (34); Rod Gardner (2); Tim Hasselbeck (5); Danny Wuerffel (3); Shane Matthews (11); Kevin Lockett (2); Tony Banks (10); Kent Graham (2); Brad Johnson (35); Jeff George (7); Rodney Peete (2); Trent Green (23); Gus Frerotte (48); Jeff Hostetler (5); Heath Shuler (13); John Friesz (10); Rich Gannon (3); Mark Rypien (75); Cary Conklin (5); Earnest Byner (3); Jeff Rutledge (3); Stan Humphries (4); Doug Williams (1)
SEA9/24/1989Russell Wilson (58); Tarvaris Jackson (15); Golden Tate (1); Charlie Whitehurst (3); Matt Hasselbeck (174); Seneca Wallace (25); Charlie Frye (2); Trent Dilfer (13); Brock Huard (4); Jon Kitna (49); Glenn Foley (2); Ricky Watters (1); Warren Moon (36); John Friesz (16); Gino Torretta (1); Rick Mirer (41); Stan Gelbaugh (7); Dan McGwire (2); Kelly Stouffer (3); Dave Krieg (43); Jeff Kemp (4)
NYG12/4/1988Eli Manning (238); David Carr (3); Kurt Warner (6); Jesse Palmer (3); Kerry Collins (81); Kent Graham (20); Danny Kanell (23); Dave Brown (40); Tyrone Wheatley (1); Dave Meggett (3); Phil Simms (63); Jeff Hostetler (19)
ARI11/8/1987Drew Stanton (2); Carson Palmer (26); Brian Hoyer (1); John Skelton (15); Kevin Kolb (17); Richard Bartel (1); Derek Anderson (7); Max Hall (1); Brian St. Pierre (1); Kurt Warner (100); Matt Leinart (14); Tim Rattay (3); Josh McCown (25); John Navarre (2); Shaun King (1); Emmitt Smith (1); Jeff Blake (13); Jake Plummer (90); Chris Greisen (1); Dave Brown (4); Kent Graham (16); Boomer Esiason (11); Dave Krieg (16); Mike Buck (1); Garrison Hearst (1); Jay Schroeder (4); Steve Beuerlein (23); Jim McMahon (1); Chris Chandler (19); Stan Gelbaugh (3); Tom Tupa (9); Timm Rosenbach (16); Gary Hogeboom (14); Neil Lomax (35); Cliff Stoudt (6)
CHI11/1/1987Jay Cutler (111); Josh McCown (15); Jason Campbell (2); Caleb Hanie (3); Kyle Orton (30); Rex Grossman (33); Adrian Peterson (1); Brian Griese (11); Jeff Blake (1); Chad Hutchinson (4); Craig Krenzel (3); Jonathan Quinn (1); Kordell Stewart (7); Chris Chandler (7); Henry Burris (3); Brad Maynard (2); Jim Miller (34); Marty Booker (2); Shane Matthews (19); Cade McNown (16); Steve Stenstrom (4); Mike Horan (1); Moses Moreno (1); Erik Kramer (63); Edgar Bennett (1); Dave Krieg (14); Curtis Conway (2); Steve Walsh (10); Jim Harbaugh (50); Peter Tom Willis (6); Mike Tomczak (28); Jim McMahon (15)
TAM10/25/1987Mike Glennon (22); Josh McCown (2); Mike James (1); Josh Freeman (80); Josh Johnson (5); Earnest Graham (2); Byron Leftwich (4); Jeff Garcia (25); Brian Griese (32); Luke McCown (5); Tim Rattay (4); Bruce Gradkowski (9); Chris Simms (12); Brad Johnson (64); Shaun King (26); Rob Johnson (1); Trent Dilfer (70); Casey Weldon (1); Craig Erickson (34); Steve DeBerg (12); Vinny Testaverde (77); Jeff Carlson (1); Chris Chandler (5); Joe Ferguson (6)
NYJ12/13/1986Geno Smith (16); Matt Simms (1); Mark Sanchez (68); Greg McElroy (1); Mark Brunell (2); Brad Smith (1); Brett Favre (22); Kellen Clemens (5); Chad Pennington (82); Brooks Bollinger (7); Vinny Testaverde (77); Jay Fiedler (1); Quincy Carter (3); Curtis Martin (2); Ray Lucas (14); Rick Mirer (5); Tom Tupa (2); Glenn Foley (10); Neil O'Donnell (21); Frank Reich (15); Boomer Esiason (49); Bubby Brister (4); Jack Trudeau (1); Browning Nagle (7); Ken O'Brien (69); Blair Thomas (1); Troy Taylor (2); Tony Eason (1); Pat Ryan (10); David Norrie (1)
CLE11/27/1983Brian Hoyer (8); Jason Campbell (11); Brandon Weeden (23); Spencer Lanning (1); Thaddeus Lewis (1); Colt McCoy (21); Seneca Wallace (6); Mohamed Massaquoi (1); Jake Delhomme (2); Derek Anderson (46); Brady Quinn (10); Charlie Frye (14); Trent Dilfer (11); Kelly Holcomb (26); Luke McCown (4); Jeff Garcia (10); Tim Couch (64); Kevin Johnson (1); Doug Pederson (2); Ty Detmer (4); Vinny Testaverde (47); Eric Zeier (4); Mark Rypien (4); Todd Philcox (7); Bernie Kosar (116); Mike Tomczak (7); Brian Hansen (1); Mike Pagel (7); Eric Metcalf (1); Don Strock (6); Gary Danielson (12); Jeff Christensen (1); Herman Fontenot (1); Brian Brennan (1); Paul McDonald (14); Brian Sipe (5)

As Tanier pointed out, you would indeed have to begin on November 8, 1987, to count your way to 500 Cardinals touchdowns. But there are four franchises that would require an even longer trip in your time machine:

  • And then there are the Jets. It feels almost wrong to pick on the Jets today, after the Jets offense looked worse than any time other than well probably a game or two last year, some of the games from 2012, or just about random games at any other time during the Rex Ryan era. New York has not hired a head coach with an offensive background since Rich Kotite in 1996, which was a justifiably traumatic event. But for those curious, you would need to start counting on December 13, 1986, to get to 500 Jets touchdowns.2 Over that span, Chad Pennington (82), Testaverde (77), Ken O’Brien (69) and Mark Sanchez (68) were the main triggermen, Boomer Esiason threw 49 touchdowns, and the rest of the list is a whole bunch of unmentionables.
  • But the saddest stat on the list would require a trip to the Factory of Sadness that is Cleveland, Ohio. Sure, the Browns weren’t around for 3 years — although I don’t know if that makes life less sad — but you need to start counting on November 27, 1983 to get to 500 Browns touchdown throws. On the other hand, if you include Brian Hoyer’s 3 touchdowns from yesterday, that means you would only need to go back to December 18, 1983, to count to 500 Cleveland touchdown passes. That would make the Browns actually look better than the Jets, if you adjust for the three year mini vacation from ’96 to ’98. In any event, it’s about as ugly for Cleveland as it is for the Jets: There’s some Bernie Kosar happiness and well, that’s about it for Browns fans. Tim Couch, Testaverde (of course), Derek Anderson, and Kelly Holcomb are the only other Browns passers with more than 25 touchdown throws.

In other words, that Peyton Manning guy is pretty darn good.

  1. For purposes of this post, all numbers are from prior to Sunday’s game in week 5 of the 2014 season. In other words, treat this post as if you are reading it Sunday morning, and not Monday morning. []
  2. Note: I would need to double check, but I don’t believe including yesterday’s result would change this stat. []
  • Kibbles

    In other news, Peyton Manning is more than 1/3rd of the way to Elway’s franchise record for career touchdown passes. He probably isn’t going to throw 300 touchdowns for the Broncos… but on the other hand, I wouldn’t be completely shocked if he finished his career with 200. He’s already second in franchise history in TD passes by a pretty solid amount, after just 2.25 seasons.

  • Ajit

    I guess Chase couldn’t miss a chance to pot shot Ryan once more…though now its starting to feel more understandable. I do feel bad for Ryan, in that he’s been handed a suicide mission for two straight years, but in the end, the Jets need to start fresh so I’ll not ding chase too much if he pines for a new offensive coach.

    As for PM – I don’t know how its possible to be underrated for a career, but he will likely be underrated legacy wise unless he wins another sb. I wish it weren’t that way, but it will be.

  • Paul Ghiglieri

    People can try and make all the lofty claims they want on Manning. The fact of the matter is that he has had a pretty empty career up to this point. There are only 2 quarterbacks in this game who would not trade their career feats with anyone else. One is the greatest of all time, and the other one is an idiot. I’m referring to Joe Montana and Donovan McNabb.

    The fact of the matter is that all these regular season passing statistics achieved by Peyton Manning mean next to nothing for him. He only has one Super Bowl win to his credit, and 2 Big Game losses; both in which he played poorly and contributed to his team’s loss. Even in his one win, he played marginal at best in that playoff series. He had a cumulative 3TDs and 7INTs in that 4-game playoff run. Manning is 11-12 in the playoffs. That is absolutely nothing to brag or write home about. Great players lead their teams in big games; that’s all there is to it. As a result, there are several quarterbacks who have fared better in the big game than Manning, and are greater as a result.

    Joe Montana -4 Super Bowls. 16-8 Playoff Record
    Terry Bradshaw -Won 4 Super Bowls faster than Joe did, but only played half of the 1974 season. Joe played all 4 in full.
    Bart Starr – 2 Super Bowls and, 3 NFL Championships, and only 1 career playoff loss. How good is that!!??
    Otto Graham
    Tom Brady -Had a chance to become the greatest ever, had he not lost 2 Super Bowls to inferior Giants teams…
    Troy Aikman -Anemic, but safe Ale Smith-style regular season numbers, but Aikman put it together nicely when it counted.
    Sid Luckman
    Johnny Unitas – 2 NFLs and 1 ugly Super Bowl win.
    John Elway -Finally got it right by winning 2 Super Bowls in his last 2 years. Terrell Davis helped a lot.
    Jim Plunkett -Laugh all you want about Plunkett, but he won 2 Super Bowls CONVINCINGLY and sported a 8-2 playoff record.
    Ben Roethlisberger -He quietly almost won 3 Super Bowls.
    Roger Staubach
    Bob Griese
    Eli Manning -The Jim Plunkett of today… Never has impressive regular seasons, but has 2 amazing Super Bowl runs…

    All 14 of these quarterback have something that Peyton Manning has never been able to achieve: 2 or more Big Game wins. As it is, Manning currently stands as the greatest of the 1 Super Bowl win quarterbacks, but even that is debatable.

    • Justin

      Sorry Paul, but I have to disagree with you. Winning Super Bowls is a team goal, and is achieved by the team. If you look at the Super Bowl winning years of Bradshaw, Montana, Starr, and Brady, you will see top 5 defenses included with their teams. Manning has been saddled with inferior defenses his whole career. In checking years ago, I believe his team’s average defense in his career has been around 15th in the NFL each year. He has hardly played for great “complete teams” in his NFL career.

      Individually, no QB in NFL history has achieved what Manning has, and he is still going very strong. Compare how he is throwing the ball less than three years off four neck surgeries compared to younger QBs (younger than him) like Carson Palmer, Drew Brees and Tom Brady. His five MVPs are two more than any other PLAYER in NFL history. His 7 First Team All Pro Selections far exceed any of the QBs you mentioned. Since ESPN invented their Total QBR statistic, Manning owns it, he has dominated it, even in the playoffs. Those are individual awards, based on individual excellence. Winning Super Bowls is a team achievement. Don’t confuse them. Manning has had to carry much more of a load than any QB in modern NFL history, albeit with mediocre defenses and special teams on his own team, and has carried that load better than any other QB in history. Check the complete records.

      • Justin

        I went back and looked at the defensive rankings of Super Bowl winning teams for the various QBs. Here is what I came up with, feel free to check my figures, which were obtained at Pro-Football-Reference.

        Starr: 5 Championships, defensive rankings: 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd, average ranking of 1.6 in NFL for each championship.

        Bradshaw: 4 Super Bowls, defensive rankings: 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 5th, average ranking of 3.3 in NFL for each Super Bowl win

        Montana: 4 Super Bowls, defensive rankings: 2nd, 1st, 8th, 3rd, average ranking of 3.5 in NFL for each Super Bowl win

        Brady: 3 Super Bowls, defensive rankings: 6th, 1st, 2nd, average ranking of 3.0 in NFL for each Super Bowl win

        Unitas: 3 Championships, defensive rankings: 2nd, 7th, 7th, average ranking of 5.3 in NFL for each Championship win

        Manning: 1 Super Bowl, defensive ranking 23rd in NFL. Lost two Super Bowls with defensive ranking of 8th and 22nd. Average
        defensive ranking for the three Super Bowl teams in Manning’s career, 17.7 in NFL.

        Again, great and COMPLETE teams win Super Bowls. Great QBs win MVPs and 1st Team All Pros.

        • Richie

          Truly great, champion quarterbacks know how to make their defenses better.

          • JJ

            Well played.

      • Richie

        Elway was a choker…..until he wasn’t.

      • Ajit

        Paul – the trouble with holding qbs to team accomplishments is it leads to inconsistent conclusions. For example, if that’s your standard – then a bunch of qbs that won a sb are automatically better than Marino. Do you really believe in a vacuum, Dilfer, Doug Williams, or Brad Johnson are better qbs that Marino?

        Another issue comes from this idea that Manning is a choker. As far as I understand, a choker is someone who CANNOT win big games. But Manning has won “big games.” He’s won 3 afc championships – “big games” and he’s won a SB. Thus, if he has shown he can win those games, doesn’t it stand to reason he can’t be a choker?

        Finally – the whole exercise is moot since in the playoffs – having a good qb doesn’t really separate teams anymore. Most of the teams playing have good qbs and then it comes down to things like defense and special teams as mentioned above. That combined with the fact that the playoffs are historically unpredictable – the worst thing you can do is put the entire result of a game on the shoulders of one player. This isn’t tennis, golf, or even basketball.

      • eag97a

        I think we also have to take into account that if winning Superbowls/championships is a team accomplishment, throwing touchdowns is also a team(offense) accomplishment. WR’s have to run their routes, OL have to block, RB’s have to blitz pickup, OC’s have to design, call and run offensive plays. Just throwing it out there for some food for thought.

    • This is not intended to be sarcastic, so please don’t read it that way.

      Joe Montana is my favorite quarterback, and I don’t think anyone could reasonably argue that he was not fantastic in the Super Bowl…unequivocally the greatest Super Bowl QB ever. I believe he was great in 1984, when he played for a 15-1 team. I believe he was great in 1988 and 1989, when he won back to back championships. I also believe he was great during the years in between, when San Fran went 0-3 in the playoffs and produced 3, 3, and 24 points.

      My question is…Using your logic, did Joe Montana forget how to be great and then remember again? Or is it more likely that he had some bad games?

      As a side note, I usually advocate for “Real Playoff %” which counts missing the playoffs as a loss and getting a bye as a win, as they essentially have the same results. Using that method, Peyton’s teams have a “real” playoff record of 17-14, which is markedly better. Eli, on the other hand, is 8-3 in the playoffs but sports a “real” record of 9-8.

      Is this method flawed? Of course! However, when used in concert with stats and context, it is far superior to simply looking at rings and saying “See!”

      • I don’t root for Peyton Manning and I bet on Seattle in last year’s Super Bowl so I really wasn’t rooting for him then, but I wasn’t happy to see that game go down that way just because it would lead people to judge Manning unfairly. Again. I’m not sure why I care, but it drives me crazy.

        This made me think about a famous baseball debate where there shouldn’t be any debate: If you want to argue that Joe DiMaggio is better than Ted Williams, you can do it. You’d be wrong, but you can do it. Montana-Manning is not like that. They’re not the only two in the mix, of course. We’re just talking about knife edges a lot of the time. Lewis Billups holds on to that pick and Montana isn’t quite so clutch (and nobody tells the John Candy story in awe of his coolness under pressure). If Rahim Moore doesn’t blow that play against the Ravens, maybe Manning has his second SB.

        It makes me think of LeBron. I’m so happy Ray Allen hit that corner three because people would still be underappreciating the best player of the last fifteen years if that hadn’t happened. Peyton Manning is probably going to be underappreciated forever b/c of the postseason, some of which was beyond his control. He’s had too many bad postseason moments that were within his control, but he’s still the best quarterback I’ve ever seen.

        • Not having a team allowed me to root for anyone at any time and not feel weird about it. I have always admired the way Manning played, and I have always rooted for him because of that. I rooted for Seattle in the Super Bowl because I love defense more than I love Manning, but I still wanted him to play well enough not to have the silly ones come out of the woodwork to criticize him – as if 1% of his career games defines his entire body of work.

          I really would like to see Manning have his Elway moment and go out with a championship. Then again, I’d also like to see Rivers win a title. Most of all, I would love to see the Cowboys part ways with Tony Romo, only to have Romo win a title on another team. That would be perfect.

  • Paul Jacobson

    Favorite stat in all of this: “LaDainian Tomlinson, (7)”

    • Jeff

      My favourite stat is “Ron Jaworski, (1)” – I mean, Jaworski is about 85 years old now, so he was probably in his 60s when he threw that TD for the Chiefs!

      And if i’m not mistaken, I think Gus Frerotte appears most times on the whole list – 7 different teams by my reckoning !

  • Tim Truemper

    Just want to make it explicit about Chase’s interesting post- it is about Peyton Manning’s achievement of 500 TD’s and a comparison of how this stacks up against team performances that also got to 500. The post is a matter of perspective of how notable that accomplishment is. No where in the post does it make the case for GOAT. It does not try to prove anything about his overall greatness to other individual players. It just shows in a creative way what this accomplishment means. Chase summarily states “…that Peyton guy is pretty darn good.” I think the data he presented supports that conclusion.

  • Ty

    Josh Freeman being the all-time Bucs TD passing leader surprised me, until I realized that the Bucs never really had good QB play, aside for a couple years here and there.

    Congrats to Manning. He should be able to pass Favre in a few more weeks.

    • Richie

      That is just insane. Freeman only played 4+ seasons for Tampa Bay. I would have been sure that Testaverde was their all-time leader. (He’s only 3 behind Freeman it turns out.) I would have guessed that even Dilfer and/or Williams might have had more TD’s for the Bucs.

      Testaverde does lead in yards. But I am surprised that Testaverde only has about 100 more pass attempts for the Bucs than Freeman. It just seemed like Testaverde played for the Bucs for much longer than Freeman did. He played for 6 seasons compared to 4+ for Freeman. Testaverde had 13 more starts than Freeman.

  • roger

    The Kosar-era Browns’ statistics should be included with the Ravens’, no matter what double talk the NFL engages in.

  • Timo

    I might be stupid and just reading this wrong but John Elway threw 300 td passes not 101.

    • Timo

      Nevermind, I’m just stupid.

    • Derek

      Timo, Elway threw TD passes 300 from 1983 to 1998. He threw 101 from 1994 to 1998. As a side note, he never threw more than 27 TD passes in a season. In fact, arguably his best years of ’96 and ’97, he threw a combined 53 TD passes (26 and 27, respectively). Manning threw 55 last year. Wow.

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  • Mike

    Adrian Peterson threw a TD for the Bears?

    • Chase Stuart

      Click the link!

  • Mike

    Different AP

    • Chase Stuart

      Ha, yes.

  • Nick

    How did you get 269 tds for Brett Favre? He threw 442 td’s for the packers. As a Bears fan I witnessed quite a few of them.

    • Chase Stuart

      Because this article does not cover every touchdown pass ever thrown by Brett Favre.

  • Scotty

    Alright, I’ll say it. Manning was the better pick over Leaf. Stupid Chargers.

    • Ajit

      I realize you are just kidding, but I always felt the Ryan Leaf disaster is made a much bigger story BECAUSE of who he was compared to. I don’t think Leaf no less or more of a bust than say Joey Harrington, Jamarcus Russel, Heath Shuller, Mirer etc.

      • Richie

        Yeah, Leaf got some extra credit for being such a polar opposite of Manning. He also got extra credit for his famous blow-up in the locker room (and I think he had some other bad attitude moments).

        Of QB’s drafted in the top 5 of the draft, who had 16+ career starts, since the merger, Ryan Leaf is tied with Akili Smith for the worst ANY/A+ at 68.

        Heath Shuler is 3rd at 76
        Rick Mirer 80
        JaMarcus Russell 80
        Jack Thompson 82
        Mike Phipps 83
        David Carr 86
        Joey Harrington 87
        Mark Sanchez 87
        Tim Couch 89
        Dan Pastorini 91
        Sam Bradford 92
        http://pfref.com/tiny/67m4T

        • Kibbles

          Leaf also gets knocked because the Chargers traded so much to move up to get him.

  • Charlie

    Someone on the NFLUK forum pointed out that Manning is listed as only having 100 tds with Denver here, and 499 in total. Are we being thick, or is that a mistake? And the td Orton threw for Buffalo is missing.

    • Chase Stuart

      Well, the numbers are from prior to Sunday, when Manning was at 499.

      • Charlie

        Got it , thanks – I knew it would be something simple… 🙂

    • Charlie

      It’s not supposed to include Sunday’s games is it? I think I’ve cracked this case… 😮

  • David Liesegang

    The other story from last week is that Rodgers at 200 now makes Green Bay one of three teams (SF, PIT) to have 2 QBs at over 200 yards.

    It’s impressive to think about where that number could get. Can that stretch to being the only team with 2 QBs at 300, 350 or dare I say 400 TD Passes?

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  • J.D. Grey

    Nice concept and it really brought me back reading some of the names on those lists. Crazy to think that as Manning is still throwing more TDs than anyone else in the game he is continuing to push the other teams even further back in time to match him. If plays a couple of more years he could retire with as many passing TDs as the Browns fans have seen since the 70’s. All four of them.

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