Comments on: The Greatest QB of All-Time V, Part III: Adjusted Dropbacks http://www.footballperspective.com/the-greatest-qb-of-all-time-v-part-iii-adjusted-dropbacks/ NFL History and Stats Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:52:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.3 By: Albert Heisenberg http://www.footballperspective.com/the-greatest-qb-of-all-time-v-part-iii-adjusted-dropbacks/#comment-327246 Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:52:00 +0000 http://www.footballperspective.com/?p=20278#comment-327246 I love your work Chase, but to assert Manning as the greatest is nonsensical. I’m hoping 3 years of critical observation has changed your tune. Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all-time, period. So much of your analysis cherry picks weighted values and ignores the context surrounding how we define the qualitative ‘value-added’ variable of superior QB play. In other words, how does one weigh passing averages when the pass catchers are Deion Branch and David Patten as opposed to Jerry Rice and John Taylor? It’s silly. You don’t even have an internally consistent criteria. His ANY/A in the playoffs is as equally weighted as his ANY/A in the regular season, when competition is considerably weaker? This is laughable.

Brady > Manning…..If Brady had Manning’s weapons his entire career, this wouldn’t even be a statistical argument. In 2007 he got a 30 year old, past his prime, Moss and an unproven slot special-teamer in Welker and broke the TD record…and he isn’t done yet.

Does 2017 Chase Stuart STILL believe Manning is better than Brady after the season he just had? 5 Super Bowls HAS to mean something; or are we just incentivizing stat-padding so a few statisticians will move a player up a notch on lists like these? After all, it’s been shown that QBs who have to play with poor defenses – and are behind – throw more. Volume stats will go up, even though one would have to correct for efficiency. It’s insane that you’re putting Peyton Manning – and the incredible talent he’s been surrounded by his entire career (more Pro-Bowlers, All-Pros, Offensive/Defensive Player of the Year teammates, AND future HOFers than any other QB of his generation).

]]> By: Chase Stuart http://www.footballperspective.com/the-greatest-qb-of-all-time-v-part-iii-adjusted-dropbacks/#comment-200417 Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:27:01 +0000 http://www.footballperspective.com/?p=20278#comment-200417 In reply to Don.

Good comments. Your view on this is correct.

The thing to remember is that a 32-year-old QB is almost always going to be the career leader in rate stats. That’s because they get the double benefit of playing all their time in the most pass-happy era (always the trailing 10 years, it seems) and they haven’t yet entered the decline phase of their careers. Rivers is 3rd in career passer rating; Romo is 5th.

As for Rodgers, he can certainly wind up in the GOAT discussion, although you’re right that it seems unlikely he’ll ever be able to match Manning’s sustained level of dominance. Of course, nobody can: Manning has 7 seasons where he ranked 1st or 2nd in ANY/A: http://www.footballperspective.com/eli-manning-and-the-hall-of-fame/

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