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		<title>How did the Saints Get Here? Look to The 2017 Offseason</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2019 20:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The 2017 Draft replenished the Saints roster.  New Orleans roster drafted CB Marshon Lattimore with the 11th overall pick, OT Ryan Ramczyk with the 32nd pick, S Marcus Williams with the 42nd pick, Alvin Kamara with the 67th pick.  Those four players have been incredible additions for the team: Kamara and Ramczyk are two of [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2017 Draft replenished the Saints roster.  New Orleans roster drafted CB <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LattMa01.htm">Marshon Lattimore</a> with the 11th overall pick, OT <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RamcRy00.htm">Ryan Ramczyk</a> with the 32nd pick, S <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillMa06.htm">Marcus Williams</a> with the 42nd pick, <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KamaAl00.htm">Alvin Kamara</a> with the 67th pick.  Those four players have been incredible additions for the team: Kamara and Ramczyk are two of the four Saints with 15+ points of AV in 2018, while the two defensive backs each started 16 games.  In addition, LB <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AnzaAl00.htm">Alex Anzalone</a> &#8212; taken with the 76th pick &#8212; started 7 games this year.</p>
<p>In the 2017 offseason, the Saints also signed ex-Lions guard <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WarfLa00.htm">Larry Warford</a>, ex-Panthers linebacker <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KleiAJ00.htm">A.J. Klein</a>, and ex-Cardinals pass rusher <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OkafAl00.htm">Alex Okafor</a>. Those three players were all regular starters on the 2018 Saints.  In fact, 7 of the 16 Saints players with 6+ points of AV this year were added in 2017.   The Saints, in some ways like the Patriots, are here because of their famous quarterback/head coach combo.  <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PaytSe0.htm">Sean Payton</a> and <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm">Drew Brees</a> both came to New Orleans in 2006, but the Saints had just completed back-to-back-to-back 7-9 seasons at the end of the 2016 season.  From 2014 to 2016, <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;match=combined&amp;year_min=2014&amp;year_max=2016&amp;game_type=R&amp;game_num_min=0&amp;game_num_max=99&amp;week_num_min=0&amp;week_num_max=99&amp;temperature_gtlt=lt&amp;c5val=1.0&amp;order_by=points_diff" target="_blank" rel="noopener">New Orleans had been outscored by 76 points</a>.  As good as Brees and Payton are, they wouldn&#8217;t be here today without what happened in the spring of 2017.<strong><br />
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<p>The graph below shows the AV on the 2018 Saints from players drafted by New Orleans (in gold) and drafted or otherwise acquired by New Orleans (in black) from each year since 2006.</p>
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<p>Last year, New Orleans nearly made it this far on the backs of those seven players, Brees and Payton, too. It&#8217;s been a remarkable two-year run for the Saints, and a reminder that in one offseason, any team can turn it around (and that goes double if you have a Hall of Fame quarterback).</p>
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		<title>Did Drew Brees Pad His Stats in Garbage Time? By Brad Oremland</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chase Stuart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2018 14:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brad Oremland is a longtime commenter and a fellow football historian. Brad is also a senior NFL writer at Sports Central. There are few who have given as much thought to the history of quarterbacks and quarterback ranking systems as Brad has over the years. What follows is Brad’s latest work on quarterback statistical production. [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad Oremland is a longtime commenter and a fellow football historian. Brad is also a senior NFL writer at <a href="http://www.sports-central.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Sports Central</a>. There are few who have given as much thought to the history of quarterbacks and quarterback ranking systems as Brad has over the years. What follows is Brad’s latest work on quarterback statistical production.</p>
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<p><div id="attachment_1993" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Brees-Saints.jpg"><img decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1993" src="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Brees-Saints-300x199.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="199" class="size-medium wp-image-1993" srcset="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Brees-Saints-300x199.jpg 300w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Brees-Saints.jpg 594w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-1993" class="wp-caption-text">Brees threw a lot in garbage time</p></div>What I thought was an off-hand musing about <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Drew  Brees&#8217;</a> production in low-leverage situations (for my ongoing series about the <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/top-100-qbs-20-1-by-brad-oremland/" target="_blank">greatest statistical QBs in history</a>) sparked a surprisingly contentious debate about whether Brees had padded his stats in garbage time.</p>
<p>I tried to align this with a very conservative definition of &#8220;garbage time&#8221; &#8230; all data are from 2004-17 &mdash; 2004 was Brees&#8217; first good season &mdash; and none of the game/score situations below produced <em>any</em> wins by any team during those years. &#8220;P/B/R&#8221; indicates the <em>combined total</em> of <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Peyton  Manning</a>, <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Tom  Brady</a>, and <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Aaron  Rodgers</a>.</p>
<p>Please pardon the informal prose and formatting; this was originally composed as a comment, not an article.<span id="more-38623"></span></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://pfref.com/tiny/2eUVf" target="_blank">Any time in the fourth quarter, down 25+</a></strong></p>
<p><em>Yardage Leader:</em> <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Eli  Manning</a> &mdash; 83/122, 934 yds, 10 TD, 2 INT, 111.2 rating, 10 sacks/-66, 6.58 NY/A</p>
<p><em>Runners-up:</em> <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CassMa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Matt  Cassel</a>, <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HassMa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Matt  Hasselbeck</a>, Drew  Brees, <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Jay  Cutler</a></p>
<p><em>Rating Leader*:</em> <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BortBl00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Blake  Bortles</a> (122.0), runners-up Brees and Eli<br />
* top 20 in yardage to qualify</p>
<p><em>Brees:</em> 63/93, 733 yds, 7 TD, 1 INT, 112.0 rating, 2 sacks/-26, 7.44 NY/A<br />
<em>P/B/R:</em> 26/48, 264 yds, 0 TD, 2 INT, 52.8 rating, 5 sacks/-37, 4.28 NY/A</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://pfref.com/tiny/LjnSX" target="_blank">Last 4 minutes, down 17+</a></strong></p>
<p><em>Yardage Leader:</em> Drew  Brees  &mdash; 78/106, 789 yds, 9 TD, 3 INT, 110.9 rating, 5 sacks/-27, 6.86 NY/A</p>
<p><em>Runners-up:</em> Eli  Manning, Blake  Bortles, Matt  Cassel, Matt  Hasselbeck</p>
<p><em>Rating Leader*:</em> Blake  Bortles (116.5), runners-up Brees and <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GabbBl00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Blaine  Gabbert</a><br />
* top 20 in yardage to qualify</p>
<p><em>Brees:</em> 78/106, 789 yds, 9 TD, 3 INT, 110.9 rating, 5 sacks/-27, 6.86 NY/A<br />
<em>P/B/R:</em> 30/52, 347 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 76.4 rating, 3 sacks/-23, 5.89 NY/A</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://pfref.com/tiny/sWFr3" target="_blank">Final minute, down 12+</a></strong></p>
<p><em>Yardage Leader:</em> Drew  Brees &mdash; 32/50, 397 yds, 8 TD, 1 INT, 119.8 rating, 1 sack/-0, 7.78 NY/A</p>
<p><em>Runners-up:</em> Eli  Manning, Jay  Cutler, <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BulgMa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Marc  Bulger</a>, <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StafMa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Matthew  Stafford</a></p>
<p>Brees has 70% more yardage than second place.</p>
<p><em>Rating Leader*:</em> <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OrtoKy00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Kyle  Orton</a> (127.3), runners-up Cutler and Brees<br />
* top 20 in yardage to qualify</p>
<p><em>Brees:</em> 32/50, 397 yds, 8 TD, 1 INT, 119.8 rating, 1 sack/-0, 7.78 NY/A<br />
<em>P/B/R:</em> 3/11, 30 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 1.7 rating, 1 sack/-9, 1.75 NY/A</p>
<p>Brees has far more volume in these situations than any other player, and his advantage can not be explained exclusively by playing time in blowout-loss situations. The Saints rank 25th, 18th, and 12th in total offensive plays in the game/score categories above &mdash; <em>fewer</em> such opportunities than an average team. While Brees has played throughout that time frame, he has far more garbage time production, and better garbage time efficiency, than peers such as Tom  Brady, Peyton  Manning, <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PalmCa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Carson  Palmer</a>, <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RivePh00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Philip  Rivers</a>, <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Ben  Roethlisberger</a>, and <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Tony  Romo</a>, whose playing time was similar. Only Eli  Manning is even remotely close to Brees in garbage time production.</p>
<p>Based on these data, I would suggest that in situations when most teams are running out the clock, Brees was still throwing. If true, this would artificially inflate his counting stats, since other players were not afforded the same opportunity. Since all credible systems of statistical analysis account for volume at some point, Brees&#8217; production should be evaluated with this consideration in mind. His advantages compared to Peyton  Manning, Tom  Brady, and Aaron  Rodgers &mdash; the peers to whom he is most often compared &mdash; are particularly pronounced, and significant in analyzing their respective careers.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Brees&#8217; passer rating and NY/A were noticeably higher in these zero-leverage situations than his overall stats during the same time period. While the effect on his overall stats is minor, this suggests that Brees did pad his statistics by passing &mdash; far more frequently than anyone else in the league &mdash; in situations when the outcome was no longer in question, and against defenses that were playing less aggressively because of the lopsided score and the minimal time remaining.</p>
<p>So what does this all mean? In short, it means that yes, Drew  Brees padded his stats in garbage time. He threw often and efficiently in situations when doing so did not materially help his team, and when other elite QBs were handing off, kneeling out the clock, or sitting on the bench. The difference between Brees and his HOF contemporaries is striking and significant. This does not taint the career of an all-time great QB, but when we put his stats in context, especially relative to his most accomplished contemporaries, it bears consideration that Brees took advantage of zero-leverage situations and his peers did not.</p>
<p>I checked the reverse, as well: zero-leverage passing by <em>winning teams</em>. There&#8217;s nothing significant at the <a href="http://pfref.com/tiny/LL1Fg" target="_blank">1-minute</a> and <a href="http://pfref.com/tiny/YPBhI" target="_blank">4-minute levels</a>, and only one player is significant at the <a href="http://pfref.com/tiny/phlSX" target="_blank">15-minute level</a>: Tom  Brady, who passed for 539 yards and a 132.0 rating with 25+ point leads in the fourth quarter. Second place is Packers backup <a rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlynMa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Matt  Flynn</a>, with 214 yards and a 35.7 rating.</p>
<p>The QB series continues with Part Six next Wednesday, July 11.</p>
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