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		<title>Manning, Brees, and Brady: Who Will Be The Passing Touchdown King?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In 5 years, one of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees will be the all-time leader in passing touchdowns. Currently, Manning is the passing touchdown king with 539 touchdowns, but will Brees or Brady catch him? A year ago, I wrote about the fascinating touchdown race between Brady and Brees: at the end of [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 5 years, one of <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Tom Brady</a>, <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Peyton Manning</a>, and <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Drew Brees</a> will be the all-time leader in passing touchdowns. Currently, Manning is the <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/passing-kings-from-friedman-to-manning/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">passing touchdown king</a> with 539 touchdowns, but will Brees or Brady catch him?</p>
<p>A year ago, I <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/brady-brees-and-428-touchdown-passes/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">wrote about the fascinating touchdown race</a> between Brady and Brees: at the end of the 2015 season, both had thrown 428 career touchdown passes. Last year, Brees threw 37 while Brady threw 28 in 12 games, so Brees is currently up 9 on Brady, 465-456.</p>
<p>But when I measured Brees and Brady last year, I measured them by calendar year. Both threw their first touchdown pass in 2001, so I thought a <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/brady-brees-and-428-touchdown-passes/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">calendar year-by-year char</a>t would be cool. But it probably makes more sense to compare the passers year-by-year by age, as I did <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/drew-brees-will-become-the-passing-king-in-2018/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">yesterday</a> with Brees and Manning for passing yards. That&#8217;s because Brees is about a year and a half younger than Brady (in turn, Brady is about a year and a third younger than Manning, but we haven&#8217;t compared them by calendar year).</p>
<p>So if we plot their passing touchdowns by age, Brees appears to have a huge leg up on Brady. That is, unless Brady plays until he&#8217;s 45:<span id="more-33516"></span></p>
<a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-manning-brady-pass-td.png"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-33517" src="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-manning-brady-pass-td.png" alt="" width="991" height="600" srcset="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-manning-brady-pass-td.png 991w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-manning-brady-pass-td-300x182.png 300w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-manning-brady-pass-td-768x465.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 991px) 100vw, 991px" /></a>
<p>Through age 31, Manning has an <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;match=combined&amp;year_min=1920&amp;year_max=2016&amp;season_start=1&amp;season_end=-1&amp;age_max=31&amp;pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;pos%5B%5D=te&amp;pos%5B%5D=e&amp;pos%5B%5D=t&amp;pos%5B%5D=g&amp;pos%5B%5D=c&amp;pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;pos%5B%5D=de&amp;pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;pos%5B%5D=s&amp;pos%5B%5D=db&amp;pos%5B%5D=k&amp;pos%5B%5D=p&amp;draft_year_min=1936&amp;draft_year_max=2017&amp;draft_slot_min=1&amp;draft_slot_max=500&amp;draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&amp;conference=any&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=te&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=e&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=t&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=g&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=c&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=de&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=s&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=db&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=k&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=p&amp;c5val=1.0&amp;order_by=pass_td" target="_blank" rel="noopener">enormous edge on both players</a>: he&#8217;s up 71 touchdowns on Brees, and 109 on Brady (2008, the year Brady missed, came during his age 31 season.</p>
<p>For their careers, Manning averaged 2.02 passing touchdowns per game, while Brees is at 1.996 and Brady at 1.92. For Brady, he and Manning both missed a season, but Brady didn&#8217;t throw any touchdown passes until he was 24 years old. Manning, meanwhile, had 52 through then (although it&#8217;s worth noting that Manning is &#8220;old&#8221; for his age-year, given that he was born in March, and Brady is &#8220;young&#8221; for his age-year, since he was born in August.) Given that Manning averages more touchdown passes per game *and* he started with a 52-TD head start, the odds of Brady catching him hinge entirely on Brady lasting a lot longer than Manning did. Brady is 83 touchdown passes behind Manning, and turns 40 years old in August. Manning, of course, never played a game in his 40s. Even if 40-year-old and 41-year-old Tom Brady are as good as in-his-prime Brady, the odds of him getting 83 touchdowns over the next two years are very long: Brady has only thrown 40+ touchdowns once in his career. So Brady would need 3 years of really good play &#8212; averaging 28 touchdown passes per year &#8212; to break the record. That seems <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;match=combined&amp;year_min=1920&amp;year_max=2016&amp;season_start=1&amp;season_end=-1&amp;age_min=40&amp;age_max=48&amp;pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;pos%5B%5D=te&amp;pos%5B%5D=e&amp;pos%5B%5D=t&amp;pos%5B%5D=g&amp;pos%5B%5D=c&amp;pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;pos%5B%5D=de&amp;pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;pos%5B%5D=s&amp;pos%5B%5D=db&amp;pos%5B%5D=k&amp;pos%5B%5D=p&amp;draft_year_min=1936&amp;draft_year_max=2017&amp;draft_slot_min=1&amp;draft_slot_max=500&amp;draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&amp;conference=any&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=te&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=e&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=t&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=g&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=c&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=de&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=s&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=db&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=k&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=p&amp;c5val=1.0&amp;order_by=pass_td" target="_blank" rel="noopener">pretty unlikely</a>, too.</p>
<p>Brees, on the other hand, is in a different boat. He didn&#8217;t miss a season in his prime, like Brady or Manning. He did have a slower start, but that extra year really helped. Here is Manning&#8217;s lead over Brees in touchdown passes by age: he was up by 82 through age 28, though Brees chopped that down to +36 through age 34. At age 35 &#8212; the year Manning missed &#8212; Brees threw 33 touchdowns, bringing the margin down to just +3. Manning&#8217;s first two years in Denver helped bump that lead, tho:</p>
<a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brady-manning-td.png"><img decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-33525" src="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brady-manning-td.png" alt="" width="750" height="525" srcset="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brady-manning-td.png 750w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brady-manning-td-300x210.png 300w" sizes="(max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px" /></a>
<p>The real question is how will Brees age. If he ages like Manning, he&#8217;s in trouble, since he&#8217;s already 26 touchdown passes behind Manning through age 37. Brees is also two months &#8220;older&#8221; than Manning by calendar year, since he was born in January. But even if Brees can defy age for a little bit longer, he&#8217;s no lock: he threw 69 touchdowns the last two years, and doing that over the next two years would still leave him needing to throw touchdown passes at age 40. Only two (Brady will almost certainly make three) have thrown <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;match=combined&amp;year_min=1920&amp;year_max=2016&amp;season_start=1&amp;season_end=-1&amp;age_min=38&amp;age_max=48&amp;pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;pos%5B%5D=te&amp;pos%5B%5D=e&amp;pos%5B%5D=t&amp;pos%5B%5D=g&amp;pos%5B%5D=c&amp;pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;pos%5B%5D=de&amp;pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;pos%5B%5D=s&amp;pos%5B%5D=db&amp;pos%5B%5D=k&amp;pos%5B%5D=p&amp;draft_year_min=1936&amp;draft_year_max=2017&amp;draft_slot_min=1&amp;draft_slot_max=500&amp;draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&amp;conference=any&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=te&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=e&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=t&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=g&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=c&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=de&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=s&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=db&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=k&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=p&amp;c5val=1.0&amp;order_by=pass_td" target="_blank" rel="noopener">75+ touchdowns at age 40</a>, and Manning showed us that the dropoff is usually pretty steep with older quarterbacks. I&#8217;d probably call this one a coin flip. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Drew Brees Will Become The Passing King In 2018</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chase Stuart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[Drew Brees]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[Drew Brees didn&#8217;t get much of a headstart on his way to becoming the NFL&#8217;s all-time leader in passing yards. As you know, Peyton Manning is the current leader in that category, having retired with 71,940 passing yards.  Manning and Brees both entered the NFL at the age of 22, but Manning started 16 games [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Drew Brees</a> didn&#8217;t get much of a headstart on his way to becoming the NFL&#8217;s all-time leader in passing yards. As you know, <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Peyton Manning</a> is the current leader in that category, having retired with 71,940 passing yards.  Manning and Brees both entered the NFL at the age of 22, but Manning started 16 games as a rookie, while Brees played in just one game.  Young Manning was also a bit better than young Brees: that fact, combined with Manning&#8217;s 3,518-yard edge as rookies, and Brees missing 5 games at the age of 24 gave Manning a huge early lead.</p>
<p>Thru ages 26, 27, and 28, Manning had a lead of over 8,000 yards on Brees.  But beginning at age 29, Brees started to fight back.  Through age 34, Manning&#8217;s lead had dwindled to 3,747 passing yards, though they remain the only two players with <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;match=combined&amp;year_min=1920&amp;year_max=2016&amp;season_start=1&amp;season_end=-1&amp;age_max=34&amp;pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;pos%5B%5D=te&amp;pos%5B%5D=e&amp;pos%5B%5D=t&amp;pos%5B%5D=g&amp;pos%5B%5D=c&amp;pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;pos%5B%5D=de&amp;pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;pos%5B%5D=s&amp;pos%5B%5D=db&amp;pos%5B%5D=k&amp;pos%5B%5D=p&amp;draft_year_min=1936&amp;draft_year_max=2017&amp;draft_slot_min=1&amp;draft_slot_max=500&amp;draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&amp;conference=any&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=te&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=e&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=t&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=g&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=c&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=de&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=s&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=db&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=k&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=p&amp;c5val=1.0&amp;order_by=pass_yds" target="_blank" rel="noopener">over 50,000 passing yards through age 34</a>.  Manning would miss all of his age 35 season with his neck injury, which allowed Brees to finally pass him and become the career leader in passing yards through <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;match=combined&amp;year_min=1920&amp;year_max=2016&amp;season_start=1&amp;season_end=-1&amp;age_max=35&amp;pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;pos%5B%5D=te&amp;pos%5B%5D=e&amp;pos%5B%5D=t&amp;pos%5B%5D=g&amp;pos%5B%5D=c&amp;pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;pos%5B%5D=de&amp;pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;pos%5B%5D=s&amp;pos%5B%5D=db&amp;pos%5B%5D=k&amp;pos%5B%5D=p&amp;draft_year_min=1936&amp;draft_year_max=2017&amp;draft_slot_min=1&amp;draft_slot_max=500&amp;draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&amp;conference=any&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=te&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=e&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=t&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=g&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=c&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=de&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=s&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=db&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=k&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=p&amp;c5val=1.0&amp;order_by=pass_yds" target="_blank" rel="noopener">age 35</a>.</p>
<p>Since then? Well, Brees continues to match Manning, even putting up his <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;match=single&amp;year_min=1920&amp;year_max=2016&amp;season_start=1&amp;season_end=-1&amp;age_min=37&amp;age_max=37&amp;pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;pos%5B%5D=te&amp;pos%5B%5D=e&amp;pos%5B%5D=t&amp;pos%5B%5D=g&amp;pos%5B%5D=c&amp;pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;pos%5B%5D=de&amp;pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;pos%5B%5D=s&amp;pos%5B%5D=db&amp;pos%5B%5D=k&amp;pos%5B%5D=p&amp;draft_year_min=1936&amp;draft_year_max=2017&amp;draft_slot_min=1&amp;draft_slot_max=500&amp;draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&amp;conference=any&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=qb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=rb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=wr&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=te&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=e&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=t&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=g&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=c&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ol&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dt&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=de&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=dl&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=ilb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=olb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=lb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=cb&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=s&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=db&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=k&amp;draft_pos%5B%5D=p&amp;c5val=1.0&amp;order_by=pass_yds" target="_blank" rel="noopener">own 5,000-yard season at age 37</a>, which is what Brees was in 2016.  For Manning, age 37 was his last great season, age 38 was his last good season, and age 39 was his final year, where he threw for just 2,249 yards.  In other words, if Brees has made it this far, the tough stuff is done: exceeding Manning&#8217;s production through age 37 was the hard part.</p>
<p>The graph below shows each player&#8217;s career passing yards through X. It&#8217;s color-coded by team, showing Brees&#8217; time with the Chargers and Saints, and Manning&#8217;s with the Colts and Broncos.  As you can see, Brees has had the edge on Manning over the last three seasons:<span id="more-33508"></span></p>
<a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-manning-pass.png"><img decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-33510" src="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-manning-pass.png" alt="" width="991" height="600" srcset="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-manning-pass.png 991w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-manning-pass-300x182.png 300w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-manning-pass-768x465.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 991px) 100vw, 991px" /></a>
<p>Charted another way, Brees has done an incredible job overcoming the big hole he started in, especially given the consistently excellent performance at which Manning produced throughout his career.  This shows the amount by which Brees trailed Manning through age X:</p>
<a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-edge2.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-edge2.png" alt="" width="870" height="522" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-33513" srcset="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-edge2.png 870w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-edge2-300x180.png 300w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/brees-edge2-768x461.png 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 870px) 100vw, 870px" /></a>
<p>At this point, it seems only a devastating injury could stop Brees from breaking the record.  </p>
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