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		<title>Marino, Griese, Tannehill, and Miami Passing History</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chase Stuart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did you know that Dan Marino and Bob Griese have accounted for over 45% of all pass attempts, over 48% of all passing yards, and over 53% of all passing touchdowns in Miami Dolphins history? The Dolphins are the rare franchise that has just four players with more than 40 touchdown passes: Marino (420), Griese [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Dan  Marino</a> and <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrieBo00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Bob  Griese</a> have accounted for over 45% of all pass attempts, over 48% of all passing yards, and over 53% of all passing touchdowns in Miami Dolphins history? The Dolphins are the rare franchise that has just four players with more than 40 touchdown passes: Marino (420), Griese (192), <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Ryan  Tannehill</a> (123), and <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"  href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FiedJa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-" onclick="sr_record_analytics_event('newsfeed_click','', sr_record_directory(),'sr_tracker');">Jay  Fiedler</a> (66).  But perhaps here is the most startling stat: Ryan  Tannehill has the best passer rating in Dolphins history!  </p>
<p>Yes, Tannehill &#8212; he of the <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/after-6-breakout-seasons-the-ryan-tannehill-era-in-miami-is-over/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back</a> breakout seasons &#8212; has a better passer rating than both Marino and Griese, although of course that&#8217;s not true when you adjust for era. Marino ended his career with an 86.4 passer rating, and a <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/adjusting-passer-rating-for-era-updated-2017-career-ratings/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">76.9 passer rating</a> when adjusted for era. Griese had a 77.1 actual passer rating, and a <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/adjusting-passer-rating-for-era-updated-2017-career-ratings/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">79.0 passer rating</a> when adjusted for era (Griese also took a ton of sacks, while Marino took very few, which is the only reason Greise&#8217;s era-adjusted rating comes in ahead of Marino&#8217;s).  Tannehill, through 2017, had a <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/adjusting-passer-rating-for-era-updated-2017-career-ratings/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">65.1 era-adjusted passer rating</a>, and in 2018, had a <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/2018-era-adjusted-passer-ratings/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">66.4 EA PR</a>, but his career un-adjusted passer rating is 87.0.</p>
<p>So while we know passer rating is silly to use when not adjusting for era, as a matter of trivia, it&#8217;s pretty interesting to see Tannehill ahead of Marino.  But ANY/A &#8212; which includes sacks &#8212; is a better way to measure passing efficiency.  And so today, I thought it might be interesting to look at the history of the Miami Dolphins passing offense and passing defenses, based on trailing 16 game averages.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s shown in this graph below.  The orange line shows the trailing 16-game Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt average of the Dolphins offense going back to 1966.  You can see the Marino-induced spike in &#8217;84 and &#8217;85, as more games from his historic 1984 season is captured by the trailing average.  The aqua line shows the trailing 16-game ANY/A allowed by the Dolphins defense: the valleys shown in &#8217;73/&#8217;74 and early 1983 are good representations of the Super Bowl defenses that carried the Dolphins in 1972, 1973, and 1982 (of course, the &#8217;72 and &#8217;73 offenses were good, too).<span id="more-41636"></span></p>
<a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-pass-o.png"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-41637" src="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-pass-o-1024x576.png" alt="" width="1024" height="576" srcset="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-pass-o-1024x576.png 1024w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-pass-o-300x169.png 300w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-pass-o-768x432.png 768w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-pass-o.png 1200w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a>
<p>And here&#8217;s the same data, but showing simply the net ANY/A: i.e., the offensive ANY/A minus the defensive ANY/A for each trailing 16 game period.  The Dolphins were above average for most of the first 30 years following the merger, but since the 2002 realignment, the Dolphins have spent more time underwater:<br />
<a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-net-pass.png"><img decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-41639" src="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-net-pass-1024x576.png" alt="" width="1024" height="576" srcset="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-net-pass-1024x576.png 1024w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-net-pass-300x169.png 300w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-net-pass-768x432.png 768w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/miami-net-pass.png 1200w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a></p>
<p>Finally, I calculated how often the Dolphins &#8220;won&#8221; the ANY/A battle in all games (including playoff games) started by each quarterback (min: 10 starts).  For example, under Marino, the Dolphins had the better ANY/A in a game 161 times, a worse ANY/A 96 times, and the same ANY/A one time.  That translates to a 0.626 winning percentage, and under Marino, Miami &#8220;won&#8221; the ANY/A battle 65 more times than they lost.  </p>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm' target='_blank'>Dan Marino</a></td><td class="column-2">258</td><td class="column-3">161</td><td class="column-4">96</td><td class="column-5">1</td><td class="column-6">0.626</td><td class="column-7">65</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrieBo00.htm' target='_blank'>Bob Griese</a></td><td class="column-2">162</td><td class="column-3">86</td><td class="column-4">76</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.531</td><td class="column-7">10</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FiedJa00.htm' target='_blank'>Jay Fiedler</a></td><td class="column-2">62</td><td class="column-3">36</td><td class="column-4">26</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.581</td><td class="column-7">10</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MorrEa00.htm' target='_blank'>Earl Morrall</a></td><td class="column-2">14</td><td class="column-3">12</td><td class="column-4">2</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.857</td><td class="column-7">10</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WoodDa00.htm' target='_blank'>David Woodley</a></td><td class="column-2">45</td><td class="column-3">26</td><td class="column-4">19</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.578</td><td class="column-7">7</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PennCh01.htm' target='_blank'>Chad Pennington</a></td><td class="column-2">21</td><td class="column-3">13</td><td class="column-4">8</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.619</td><td class="column-7">5</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StroDo00.htm' target='_blank'>Don Strock</a></td><td class="column-2">20</td><td class="column-3">10</td><td class="column-4">10</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.500</td><td class="column-7">0</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorMa01.htm' target='_blank'>Matt Moore</a></td><td class="column-2">18</td><td class="column-3">9</td><td class="column-4">9</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.500</td><td class="column-7">0</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrJo00.htm' target='_blank'>Joey Harrington</a></td><td class="column-2">11</td><td class="column-3">5</td><td class="column-4">6</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.455</td><td class="column-7">-1</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FrerGu00.htm' target='_blank'>Gus Frerotte</a></td><td class="column-2">15</td><td class="column-3">6</td><td class="column-4">9</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.400</td><td class="column-7">-3</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00.htm' target='_blank'>Jay Cutler</a></td><td class="column-2">14</td><td class="column-3">4</td><td class="column-4">10</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.286</td><td class="column-7">-6</td>
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	<td class="column-1"><a href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm' target='_blank'>Ryan Tannehill</a></td><td class="column-2">88</td><td class="column-3">40</td><td class="column-4">48</td><td class="column-5">0</td><td class="column-6">0.455</td><td class="column-7">-8</td>
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<p>Under Tannehill, Miami had the better ANY/A only 40 out of 88 games.</p>
<p>And you may notice that Morrall has a pretty sparkling 12-2 mark here.  In 1972, the Dolphins won the ANY/A battle in 16 of 17 games: Miami lost the ANY/A battle against Morrall&#8217;s former team, but the Dolphins still won <a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197210290clt.htm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">23-0</a> thanks to a dominant ground game that day.</p>
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		<title>Tarkenton, Marino, Favre, and Manning: Graphing Their Career Passing TDs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chase Stuart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2016 12:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[Passing]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Quarterbacks]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Brett Favre]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Dan Marino]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Drew Brees]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[There have been four passing touchdown kings in the last 40 years: Fran Tarkenton, Dan Marino, Brett Favre, and Peyton Manning.  I thought it would be fun to plot the number of career touchdown passes each player had on the Y-Axis after each game of their career (shown on the X-Axis): As you can see, [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/passing-kings-from-friedman-to-manning/" target="_blank">four passing touchdown kings</a> in the last 40 years: <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TarkFr00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Fran Tarkenton</a>, <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dan Marino</a>, <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Brett Favre</a>, and <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Peyton Manning</a>.  I thought it would be fun to plot the number of career touchdown passes each player had on the Y-Axis after each game of their career (shown on the X-Axis):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/?attachment_id=29368" rel="attachment wp-att-29368"><img decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-29368" src="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/td-pass-leaders.png" alt="td pass leaders" width="634" height="466" srcset="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/td-pass-leaders.png 634w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/td-pass-leaders-300x221.png 300w" sizes="(max-width: 634px) 100vw, 634px" /></a><br />
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As you can see, Tarkenton lags quite a bit behind the other three, but of course he played in a much tougher era.  He also held the touchdown crown for a record <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/passing-kings-from-friedman-to-manning/" target="_blank">19 years and 11 months</a>.  And he finished strong: he threw 110 touchdowns in the last 80 games of his career (games 164-243), which is even more than Marino had (105) during games 164-263 of <em>his</em> career.</p>
<p>Marino&#8217;s incredible early start really stands out: by game 63, he was at 156 touchdowns, far ahead of Manning (109), Favre (102), and Tarkenton (91) through 63 games. It isn&#8217;t until game 179 that Manning finally passes him (340-338), while it takes Favre until game 213 (385-384) to move ahead.  Marino would also jump back ahead of Favre, ultimately finishing with 420 in 242 games; at that point, Favre was still at 414.</p>
<p>Manning&#8217;s trajectory is of course impressive. But it&#8217;s the shape of his career that really stands out. Consider:</p>
<ul>
<li>Manning played in 266 games: he threw 252 touchdowns in his first 133 games, and <strong>287 in his final 133</strong>.</li>
<li>By comparison, Favre threw 269 in his first 151 games, and 239 in his final 151, and Favre was known for his longevity!</li>
<li>Marino had 245 in his first 121 games, and 175 in his final 121 games.</li>
<li>Tarkenton had 182 touchdowns in his first 121 games, 3 in his 122nd game, and 157 in his final 121 games, and he was a fast finisher!</li>
</ul>
<p>Even with his bad finish in 2015, Manning still had a remarkable run in his 30s.  At the halfway mark of his career, he was a Hall of Famer, and then he was arguably better on his back nine.  That&#8217;s how you go about having <a href="http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/peyton-manning-retirement/" target="_blank">two HOF careers</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, let&#8217;s reproduce this chart, but include <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-">Tom  Brady</a> and <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm?utm_campaign=Linker&#038;utm_source=direct&#038;utm_medium=linker-">Drew  Brees</a>:</p>
<a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/?attachment_id=29369" rel="attachment wp-att-29369"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-29369" src="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/td-pass-leaders-brady-brees.png" alt="td pass leaders brady brees" width="634" height="466" srcset="http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/td-pass-leaders-brady-brees.png 634w, http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/td-pass-leaders-brady-brees-300x221.png 300w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 634px) 100vw, 634px" /></a>
<p>The most incredible part of this chart? That would be the intersection, where you can&#8217;t even see three of the quarterbacks. At game 175, Brees was at 334 touchdown passes, Marino was at 333, Manning 332, and Brady 330. That&#8217;s unreal! <span class="footnote_referrer"><a role="button" tabindex="0" onclick="footnote_moveToReference_29367_4('footnote_plugin_reference_29367_4_1');" onkeypress="footnote_moveToReference_29367_4('footnote_plugin_reference_29367_4_1');" ><sup id="footnote_plugin_tooltip_29367_4_1" class="footnote_plugin_tooltip_text">[1]</sup></a><span id="footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_29367_4_1" class="footnote_tooltip">Favre was at 312; Tarkenton 247</span></span><script type="text/javascript"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_29367_4_1').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_29367_4_1', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top center', relative: true, offset: [-7, 0], });</script>. Brees is actually still ahead of Manning&#8217;s pace, with 428 passes in 217 career games. Through 217 games, Manning was at 420, Brady 414, Favre 391, Marino 387, and Tarkenton 305. Brees was 36 years and 353 days old in game 217; Manning was 36-232 (game 9 of the 2012 season) when he had his 217th game. He ended that season with 436 touchdowns and turned 37 the following March. Brees ended last year with 428 touchdowns and turned 37 the following January. </p>
<p>So, given that backdrop, we could make the case that Brees is on pace to break the record, although Manning set the single-season touchdown record in his next year. Still, given the way Manning fell off at age 39, it&#8217;s within reason to think that Brees could set the record with another 110 touchdowns. He&#8217;s also a year and a half younger than Brady, so he is the bigger threat to Manning&#8217;s record. He&#8217;ll need 112 more touchdowns, which would likely require four more seasons.  He has shown no dropoff in play, but neither did Manning until December 2014.  </p>
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