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		By: David Brailsford		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does all this show that the Detroit Lions still suck? Just asking if there is real hard data showing that. As a loooong suffering Lions fan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does all this show that the Detroit Lions still suck? Just asking if there is real hard data showing that. As a loooong suffering Lions fan.</p>
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		By: George		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Epic work! Seriously interesting, I only made the point re: 13.86, as I&#039;d been doing normal probability plots (after doing chi-squared and other good things) for other sports with at least 3 seasons of data (to get a general expectation of what the stochastic element should be for making predictions) and decided to do the same with the NFL and noted that 13.86 was there or thereabouts but I didn&#039;t take it as gospel (re: my values I only did regular season - wasn&#039;t clear from the Stern paper if he&#039;d used the post season). Doesn&#039;t make a huge difference give or take a couple of percent, but sometimes makes the difference between a good bet and a not so good bet. I factor the running STDEV into my prediction sheet to take account of what it is at the time.

Totally agree with the diminishing the spread point as a way to go but I have had a chance to work it through yet, and it&#039;s interesting to know Mr Winston feels the same way.

Re: early in the season, I don&#039;t have too much faith in the numbers until about week 5 or 6 of most sports. I keep track of the running standard deviation to know where it sits in respect to historical values and make a judgment from there (I believe Mr Winston uses a different technique - possibly something Bayesian re: one of the recent comments on his site). Incidentally the least squares way would&#039;ve had last nights USC game bang on (USC by 7.9 no weighting, USC by 9.6 at 90% weighting).

Re: the Levitt paper - interesting read - it has it&#039;s flaws (due to how they got the data, I believe it was from something like the Hilton Super Competition) but it illustrated how bookmakers take advantage of gamblers biases due to preconceived ideas and effectively how they didn&#039;t balance the books by setting the line to extract the maximum profit based on the bias of their clients and not to reflect the match-up or balance the sides up. As a result it&#039;s my personal belief that bookmakers leave themselves open to least squares/srs style system players as the line isn&#039;t a reflection of how they expect that match to end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epic work! Seriously interesting, I only made the point re: 13.86, as I&#8217;d been doing normal probability plots (after doing chi-squared and other good things) for other sports with at least 3 seasons of data (to get a general expectation of what the stochastic element should be for making predictions) and decided to do the same with the NFL and noted that 13.86 was there or thereabouts but I didn&#8217;t take it as gospel (re: my values I only did regular season &#8211; wasn&#8217;t clear from the Stern paper if he&#8217;d used the post season). Doesn&#8217;t make a huge difference give or take a couple of percent, but sometimes makes the difference between a good bet and a not so good bet. I factor the running STDEV into my prediction sheet to take account of what it is at the time.</p>
<p>Totally agree with the diminishing the spread point as a way to go but I have had a chance to work it through yet, and it&#8217;s interesting to know Mr Winston feels the same way.</p>
<p>Re: early in the season, I don&#8217;t have too much faith in the numbers until about week 5 or 6 of most sports. I keep track of the running standard deviation to know where it sits in respect to historical values and make a judgment from there (I believe Mr Winston uses a different technique &#8211; possibly something Bayesian re: one of the recent comments on his site). Incidentally the least squares way would&#8217;ve had last nights USC game bang on (USC by 7.9 no weighting, USC by 9.6 at 90% weighting).</p>
<p>Re: the Levitt paper &#8211; interesting read &#8211; it has it&#8217;s flaws (due to how they got the data, I believe it was from something like the Hilton Super Competition) but it illustrated how bookmakers take advantage of gamblers biases due to preconceived ideas and effectively how they didn&#8217;t balance the books by setting the line to extract the maximum profit based on the bias of their clients and not to reflect the match-up or balance the sides up. As a result it&#8217;s my personal belief that bookmakers leave themselves open to least squares/srs style system players as the line isn&#8217;t a reflection of how they expect that match to end.</p>
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