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		By: Jim A		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim A]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.footballperspective.com/attempting-to-measure-fatigue-in-the-nfl/#comment-2594&quot;&gt;Chase Stuart&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess my point is that there&#039;s no reason to think that offensive players don&#039;t get fatigued also.  The data shows that offenses don&#039;t score more points as the game goes on, nor do they have any advantage at the end of a long drive.  And being on the field a lot in a particular game doesn&#039;t seem to have any predictive power other than the implication that the defense probably isn&#039;t very good.  So I would guess that any effects of defensive fatigue are probably negated by the effects of offensive fatigue.

One idea might be to compare first quarter stats vs. fourth quarter (when the game is tied) or overtime stats.  But even that can be tricky because late-game strategies are often different than early-game strategies.  Matt&#039;s idea to look at pace is an interesting idea, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://www.footballperspective.com/attempting-to-measure-fatigue-in-the-nfl/#comment-2594">Chase Stuart</a>.</p>
<p>I guess my point is that there&#8217;s no reason to think that offensive players don&#8217;t get fatigued also.  The data shows that offenses don&#8217;t score more points as the game goes on, nor do they have any advantage at the end of a long drive.  And being on the field a lot in a particular game doesn&#8217;t seem to have any predictive power other than the implication that the defense probably isn&#8217;t very good.  So I would guess that any effects of defensive fatigue are probably negated by the effects of offensive fatigue.</p>
<p>One idea might be to compare first quarter stats vs. fourth quarter (when the game is tied) or overtime stats.  But even that can be tricky because late-game strategies are often different than early-game strategies.  Matt&#8217;s idea to look at pace is an interesting idea, though.</p>
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		By: George		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fatigue is definitely a valid issue - e.g. the point from Winston about teams coming off a bye week typically playing about 2.something points better per game than expected. There was also a paper I&#039;ve got that I will dig out, where a team from Swinburne University in Australia  derived weights essentially for various elements in Australian Rules Football (AFL). They found the 2 hour mark on a flight was typically a threshold that made a difference of about 4 points from memory (e.g if an away team was flying more than 2 hours they were 4 points worse off -  they did regression over about 20 years of data). The AFL is a lot higher scoring than the NFL but conservatively assuming an equal number of days off (which would be needed to rule out the short week issue), I think you could probably put a 3-5 hour flight being a 1 disadvantage to the team in question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fatigue is definitely a valid issue &#8211; e.g. the point from Winston about teams coming off a bye week typically playing about 2.something points better per game than expected. There was also a paper I&#8217;ve got that I will dig out, where a team from Swinburne University in Australia  derived weights essentially for various elements in Australian Rules Football (AFL). They found the 2 hour mark on a flight was typically a threshold that made a difference of about 4 points from memory (e.g if an away team was flying more than 2 hours they were 4 points worse off &#8211;  they did regression over about 20 years of data). The AFL is a lot higher scoring than the NFL but conservatively assuming an equal number of days off (which would be needed to rule out the short week issue), I think you could probably put a 3-5 hour flight being a 1 disadvantage to the team in question.</p>
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